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School: Hampshire High/  Class: Environmental Science
Teacher: Mr. Moore
POV Group Name: Farmer Block 1
Date: 11/08/2006/  Time: 08:25 AM

We are the Farmers who are feeding America. The deer population is out of control and we have come up with a couple of solutions to stop this problem. 1. Have an extended deer season. 2. Dogs on your farm to chase away the deer 3. Put a high fence around your crops to protect them. 4. Plant extra crops. 5. Lease your land to hunters to elimnate the deer problem. 6. The DNR could raise the deer bag limit of each season. 7. Plant deer plots on your property such as clover.


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From: farmers/  Class_Name: 4th/ 
Teacher:
Mr. Moore/  School: hampshire high/ 
Thursday, November 09, 2006/  Time: 01:39 PM

You say that you should use dogs to chase the deer? Where are the dogs coming from and what will you do with all the stray dogs that are now running all over the county? They will reproduce and every liter will become wild and become aggressive resulting in another problem for the people of the county. Still having the problem with the deer because a demesticated dog will not kill a deer and then the rampage of dogs after they learn how to kill. Then after the deer population drops drasticaly the people will begin to complain about all the dogs and the lack of deer. So you should think ahead and of the consequence of your actions.


From: Team Happy Wolf!!/  Class_Name: Env. Sci./ 
Teacher:
Laura O'Leary/  School: North Harford High/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 12:40 PM

Your #2 and #7 contradict each other-- how can you possibly have a deer plot and dogs?? while the deer are happily munching on clover the rabid dogs will come running in, horribly interrupting their meal!! not only does it solve nothing, it also wastes space and money. Also, what is the benefit of planting extra crops? so when the deer eat a whole bunch it doesnt matter?? this is completely evasive!! in appeasing the deer, you would be wasting money on the extra seeds, and space for the extra planting room-- management practices would be much more efficient!!


From: Hunters 1/  Class_Name: Environmental 2/ 
Teacher:
Oleary/  School: north harford high school/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 12:42 PM

you say chase the deer away with dogs, although this seems ideal, what will you do when the deer just keep coming back? chasing them away wont make them less populated.


From: hunters 1/  Class_Name: environmental 2/ 
Teacher:
oleary/  School: north harford high school/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 12:44 PM

if one deer comes to eat the clover, more will follow. they travel in pacts. how are you going to pay for having to replant the clover every year?


From: hunters 1/  Class_Name: environmental 2/ 
Teacher:
oleary/  School: north harford high school/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 12:46 PM

how are you going to keep the deer from multiplying that are coming to eat your clover? this will only increase the problem wont it?


From: the homeowners/  Class_Name: Environmental Science 2/ 
Teacher:
Mrs O'Leary/  School: North Harford High School/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 12:46 PM

Just out of curiosity, how do you propose we come up with the money to build fences, add crops, and buy "deer-chasing" dogs? Speaking of these dogs that supposedly chase the deer away and don't end up mauling them, which breed do you suggest?


From: forester/  Class_Name: vo-ag. 1/ 
Teacher:
halterman/  School: ehhs/ 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 01:30 PM

short and to the point! nice a little harsh though

 

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School: Hampshire High School/  Class: 2nd Block Earth & Enviromental Science
Teacher: Mr. Moore
POV Group Name: Hampshire Farmers
Date: 11/08/2006/  Time: 10:16 AM

We are the rural farmers of Hampshire County. We are having problems with the deer destroying our apple trees in the orchard and destroying our crops that we grow in bulk to sell in the city. This is a problem because if all the deer eat our apples and trees we don't have any fruit to sell to the local people and the customers wanting fresh produce. The deer eating our crops is another problem because if the crops are eaten completely or damaged enough our time is wasted and there is no profit available. Our possible solutions for this problem are that there be no housing developments added,because it will push more deer to the non developed areas. That there'd be unlimited bag limits as landowner because we would lower the deer population. The crop damage permits should allow spotlighting up to sunrise because deer seem to catch on after a while and when the deer come out to eat at sunrise, we are there to kill them. We should plant a deer plot around outside of the garden fence so the deer will eat that instead of our crops. Get a government grant for deer exclusion fencing so we can keep the deer out of the garden and away from the trees. Lease the land for hunting so the deer pouplation decreases. Allow more bucks to be killed so the deer can't reproduce. Let more out of state hunters hunt since you have a limit of deer a day, the out of staters can kill some too. Last of all install invisible deer fence to keep the deer out of the protected areas without having something in the way.


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From: insurance company /  Class_Name: Ag1/ 
Teacher:
Mr. halterman/  School: East Hardy / 
Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 01:42 PM

Don't you think that what you're saying about your "solution" to the deer poplution will or would cost you and other people more money to set this bogus! idea up, than to just go out and blow the deer up? Also the idea of raising the amount of deer you can shoot in one season is a good idea, but just do me a favor and forget the "solution" to the problem with the money robbing idea.


From: Farmers with guns/  Class_Name: Aig 1/  ∂Teacher: Arthur Halterman/  School: East Hardy/  Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 01:18 PM

What about the neighbors wouldnt the spotlight disturb them?


From: farmers with guns/  Class_Name: arg 1/  ∂Teacher: auther halterman /  School: east hardy /  Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2006/  Time: 01:22 PM

how high are you going to put the fence and how going to pay for the fence?

Answer:  First of all, if you are going to ask a question to someone you need to learn how to write. We are going to put the fence high enough that the deer can't jump over it and get into our crops. To pay for it, we will use money that we get from selling our crops.

Answer:  The exclusion fence and school is six foot tall. We may be able to obtain the funds through government grants or wildlife management groups.


From: Hampshire Farmers/  Class_Name: 2nd Block/  ∂Teacher: Mr. Moore/  School: HHS/  Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2006/  Time: 10:21 AM

You may need to put a time limit on how late you can spotlight

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School: East Hardy High/  Class: Aig 1
Teacher: Arthur Halterman
POV Group Name: 9
Date: 11/08/2006/  Time: 01:31 PM

We think that we should have a longer deer season. So there would be less deer so they wont be eating all of our crops. It depends on what type of farmer you are to wether you raise cattle or grow alf alfa. We should keep the deer and the farmer should put stuff around the crops to protect there crops then it would not be so bad. The farmers could let more peolpe hunt on thier land and that would help thin out the population of deer.


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From: The Forest Saver/  Class_Name: 4th Block Enviromental Science/  Teacher: Mr. Moore/  School: Hampshrie High School/  Askee: Vo-Agriculture/  Date: Thursday, November 09, 2006/  Time: 01:29 PM

I think the extending of the deer season is a good idea but what do you do when all these hunters are in the woods at the same time? Would you like to hunt for deer in the summer time more than the winter time?

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School: Hampshire High School/  Class: 4th block Environmental Science
Teacher: Mr.Moore
POV Group Name: "The Farmers"
Date: 11/08/2006/  Time: 01:55 PM

The many problems that farmers face is the deer are eating are crops, which causes millions of dollars of damage every year. I think we should let the farmers shoot the deer all year around with out special permits. We give up alot crops because of these nuisance deer. I think farmers hunting without the special permit is a great idea. Another good solution There are many ways to get my group or class to help. We could take a field trip to an orchard or a farm and help repelle or shoot the deer that are destroying the farmers crop. We could a grant type thing and hunt without the special permits. The results would be crops not being lost and farmers being happy that their crops arent being destroyed. If i was hurt by this process, i would think about how i helped the farmers being happy that their crops aren't being destroyed. I would also feel accomplished that I helped stop the nuisance deer.


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From: Farmers 1/  Class_Name: Environmental Science/ 
Teacher:
Mr. Moore/  School: Hampshire High/ 
Monday, November 13, 2006/  Time: 08:48 AM

You had a great point about the dogs running loose and having a problem with them getting out of control. But we think that your idea about going to an orchard and having an unlimited deer season would endanger the plants and unwanted things in the forest, such as the dead leaves and plants. yes the farmer's crops would be safer but it would possibly make the deer population in danger of extinction. so maybe you should think your ideas thoroughly also.

Answer: farmers/  Class_Name: ENV4/ 
Teacher:
Moore/  School: HHS/ 
Thursday, November 16, 2006/  Time: 01:51 PM

Sorry I did not answer you earlier but I been busy addressing PETA and their idea to free Wolves. Now to get to your concerns, I never said to have an open season on deer at a random orchard. But to protect your crops and if you donít know only the land owner and with limitations can you obtain a farmers permit. To the best of my knowledge an orchard owner canít obtain a permit unless he/she proves that the deer are damaging the crop. The deer are like a person, if they can find an easy way to get a meal. They will eat the apples off the ground before reaching into the tree. So I donít believe that the deer population will be effected to badly by the farmers and by rotating the standard the deer population will regenerate if it gets to low. If you have any more questions or ideas let us know. It would work better if we work together and maybe our ideas will be considered.

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School: Hampshire High School/  Class: Enviromental Science Block 4
Teacher: Mr. Moore
POV Group Name: Farmers 3
Date: 11/08/2006/  Time: 01:48 PM

We are the farmers who are in need to protect our crops. Deer will not eat an entire crop, but they will eat enough that it will not regenerate itself. By this happening the crop production rate will decrease and the price of our every day product will increase. As a result of the increase in price, it will not allow us to produce as much as the years before, and we still have to worry about the deer eating the limited amount of crop we can produce. So for future years the price will continue to increase until a farmer canít afford to produce any crop at all. By lowering the standards for crop damage permits, there will be more deer harvested. Every one will benefit from this action. People in the area who may need financial relief could be given any unwanted meat by the landowner and not used for sale. Economically this will put more crops on the market for our country and others use due to the decrease of damages to crops. Then when the crop prices start to decrease due to the large amount of crops then suspend the unlimited farm permits, and put a limit on the farmers kills. Every so many years you rotate the process. We the feeders of the word ask you , LET US DO OUR JOB THE WAY WE SEE FIT!

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