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Stream Cleaner Environmental Forum 2010

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 The Luray Farmers sent the following TD to the Honest Farmers.  I posted it there but, thought it was so well said that I should make sure you all see it.  The Moderator

    From:   Luray Farmers - farmer - LHS(J)                                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

            As farmers, over the past few years, we have done a lot of work to decrease the amount

       of pollution and sediment going into streams.  We have fenced off many areas to keep

       cattle from "walking" into the tributaries feeding the Chesapeake Bay, and have taken

       steps in taking some land out of production to plant trees.  For all the people blaming

       farmers for pollution, let me ask you all this question.  Why has pollution increased over

       the past 15 years when the amount of farmland has decreased due to urban development? 

       If farmers were the main cause of pollution, with less farmland, then why hasn't pollution

       in the bay decreased?

 

Farmers

 

Luray Farmers                                                                                                Luray HS - Judd

                                                                                                                               3/22/2010

  We are very mad farmers. We get so sick of all the city folk telling us how to do things

and that all we do is pollute. Well our methods have worked for years and you guys think

yall are perfect but when yall set in traffic jams all day to go 10 feet because your to lazy

 to walk yall are doing the polluting. Our animals that you guys say are polluting streams are

 the same animals you guys are eating and have almost been here since people and some

even before. We also need our pesticides to keep our crops which yall also eat and I dont

think you want bugs in your vegatables.

  Here recently a guy from the government came to my farm and told me I had to fence

off my streams to keep our cattle out. Our great great great great great grandparents

have grazed cattle here and its never been a problem but now all of a sudden you think we

are going to change. What needs to changes is for yall to stop running your big factories.

We all survived before all these factories came when us farmers are just doing a natural

lifestyle. Everyone is surviving off our products even though they are not advanced they

are everyones basic needs. Think of all the foods you eat that comes from us and then run

your mouth.

 

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    From:   Biology Honors Students - Other - MslmnHS                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Farms are necessary, but you need to think about the environment.  Fertilizers have

       phosphates in them that harm aquatic life in streams.  This is just the start of the problems

       with farms...

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I think you are right with the city life. City life is in fact more polluting than country. Yes

       feritilizer and all that does cause a bit of a stench but really in the city there are many gas

        spills, oil spills, people liter constantly ans so much more. I do think that people need to

       appreciate the farmers because without you all we would not have produce to buy. Many

       would go hungry and a lot of organizations would fall.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree with you 100 percent man why should we fence off our streams which our water

       sources for our animals why should we have to work harder then we already do to water

       our animals it isnt hurting the streams that much.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Its is really annoying when people blame each other for pollution. In the big picture almost

        everyone has done something to hurt the enviroment. The guy who came to your farm did

       have some good ideas.

    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I think you are mad because you dont want to keep up with todays society. Although you

       are partially correct, yall isnt a word. I believe it is you guys, and cars do pollute; so does

       methane and tractors, and your cows that walk through the streams get their fecal matter

       and urine in the streams that other animals use. Food is very important, but what does a

       fence really matter? Do you want your cows roaming around where anyone can just cop

       one up for themselves? If you just continue to use your same methods and keep all your

       animals in your area, there is no problem. No need to be angry, especially if you would just

        comply and give positive attitudes.

    From:   Musselman Homeowners - homeowner - MslmnHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       [To Troop Big-Horn]  I agree and disagree. For one with these factories you get your

       equipment and the tools to use so it wont take you weeks to do it by hand and yea i agree

       factories fall in a big part of all this polluting.

    From:   talbut farms - farmer - MslmnHS                                                           Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       To the troop big horn people about them saying tractors cause much pollution. If you drive

       anywhere in a vehicle and Im sure you have you've caused juust as much pollution as a

       tractor. For as much work a tractor does compared to a car, the tractor is much more

       enviromentally friendly.

 

    From:   The Scapegoats - farmer - HburgHS                                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

       As satirical as this POV may be, there are actually farmers and people who share these

       views. This is a problem. Too many people blame others for pollution, when in reality it is

       not a finger-pointing problem. This is a problem that effects all of us and therefore we

       are all responsible. You make the point that farmers have been dumping animal waste and

       fertilizers in to the environment for numbers of generations, with no consequences at all.

       But    this isn't entirely true. When pesticides run off into the streams, they kill

       everything in it. This effects the food chain, and eventually leads all the way up to

       humans. Like I said before farmers are not the only ones to blame, but they do share some

       responsibility in creating a healthier environment.

    From:   Streaks for Environment - homeowner - HburgHS                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

       We understand the concerns you have, but there are many alternatives to the practices

       that are used on your farms, such as integrated pest management in the place of solely

       chemical pesticides, and strategically planning your farm layout so that your animals are

       moved away from the stream (or give water troughs).  There is no need to point fingers

       and blame other groups for polluting, because we all need to pitch in to help prevent

       pollution.

        Response of:  Luray Farmers - farmer - LHS(J)

                             To:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/15/2010

              Lol ok where do you get the materials to make stuff in your factories cause the last

              time i checked wood defenitly came from trees it wasnt made in factories. But maybe

               we are wrong and forces beyond our beleifs set in and wood comes from somewhere

              else.

   From:   Imposta Kharys - CBP_Fed - GCHS                                                         Ask

                                                                                                                        4/15/2010

       Wow. This has very a critical tone.  Yes, society depends on the products farmers produce

       everyday but that doesn't mean you can jus sit on your high horse and think you're free

       from trying to reduce pollution.  There are several sollutions you caan try to reduce your

       pollution output such as better places to rstore animal wastes. Definitely reduce use of

       fertilizer because of its nitrogen.

    From:   Durdy Developers - developer - GCHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                                                        4/13/2010

       Luray Farmers, while it is true that we get many resources from your animals, this

       does not mean we want you to simply get rid of them. The waste they produce IS in

       fact an environmental problem, but there are solutions. You can try alternative ways

       of waste disposal other then dumping it in the river. There are also ways to control

       sediment runoff with various installments or alterations in your land. Creating proper

       runoff systems and waste disposal programs for your farms would significantly help

       the bay.

    From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       If there wasn't any factories you wouldn't have any farm equiptment

    From:   MODERATOR                                                                                         Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       To The Feds;  Nice attitude and questions.  Throughout the Chesapeake Bay region the

       President's Executive Order is causing excitement; renewed efforts from federal

       agencies, interest from environmental groups, and concern from some business interests

       (including farmers).  In real life U.S. EPA and U.S. Department of Agriculture officials

       are taking on this issue just like you are.  Find those who are thinking in the right

       direction, drop the blame and hostility, and move forward.  Remember, the watersheds is

       the area of LAND that drains to the Bay.  We hope the Luray Farmers, as proud stewards

       of the land, will work with you to find some way to help.

    From:   The Feds - Other - EHHS                                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Okay; we understand that you all are highly upset about the fact that everyone is

       complaining about your farming ethics. You need to be aware that some of the things you

       are doing do effect the ones around you. i do believe that you are thinking of things in the

        right way; but maybe you need to take a step back and see what you are really doing. The

       real question is, do you think that you could eliminate some of the polution in a way that

       isnt so hostile? maybe put some fences or quards up so there isnt as much run-off?


    From:   The Drain Pipes! - CB_Ecosystem - EHHS                                               Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Listen here EcoDawgs, It's not our responsibilty to figure out how to restrain the cattle.

       The cattle come into the water that drains into the Bay and cause problems. Such as killing

       us, Seagrass. We're participating in this discussion the way were supposed to, unlike

       someone else that wants to 'dawg' our comments. Thanks a lot, Love The Drain Pipes.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I think ya'll make a good point.  This world is fine with wild critters .and tame critters.  It

       is the factories and smog that is killing the earth.  If we get rid of the big things that

       pallut then the small things won't matter much.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I don't think you guys alonemeaning all farmers pollute. I think it is all the different

       topics together. Maybe you should talk about how it affects you, not how it affends you.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       i think your wrong about the city people you all pollute as much as the city people do.

       YOUR tractors dont exactley have the cleanest smoke coming out of em. the manure that u

       spread over the gras to make it greener or on your gardens...well that stuff has toxins in it

        that hurt the air and the earth. THINK AGAIN. but you do have a good point!

       I really like your points brought up but this is a 50/50 thing now. We surly couldn't

       survive without the farmers but where would the farmers get their tractors, barbed wire,

       all the tools they use without the factories?

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       A lot of pollution is caused all of the factories every one needs to take a stand to try and

       prevent anymore damage sine people are so lazy no a days sometime I just want to smack the

       person that throws trash every where it leads into our streams and killing the fish and

       everyone in it.


    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Hey yall, I really think that you should stop dissing the city people and focus your own

       farmer problems.  You are blaming all your problems on the city people, when in reality it's

       just the changing of times. As it is no longer the 19th century, countless changes are being

       made. It's just something you are going to have to adjust to. Nobody is going to stop having

       factories, everyone depends on them. No matter how many people protest and make a fuss its

        just not going to change the fact that factories are going to exist and you farmers are going

        to have to make some changes.

        Response of:  Luray Farmers - farmer - LHS(J)

                             To:  Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              I think its funny how you guys say yall make our farm epuipment. Yea you might make

               it but think about who gives yall the raw materials to do it with so once again we are

              supplying yall goods so you can make something for us so yall are kinda just being

              used. We could do all the farming for ourselves with animal power if we had to just

              like we did in the old days. You would be hurting if it wasnt for us. We lived without

              your products before and we dont need you now and we get our own wood from our

              beautiful forests. If I had to wake up to concrete and asphalt I would really be

              depressed. Im pretty sure that you guys pollute the bay and streams way more than we

               do with your factories and oil. Say something to that cause we all know its the truth.

                   We had people from the government test the Hawksbill creek which flows into the

              Shenandoah.  They found that farms are not contributing to the nitrate levels.  The

              level spikes after the stream flows through our small town.

 

    From:   EcoDawgs - local_gov - LHS(J)                                                                Ask

                                                                                                                           4/7/2010

       [To the Drain Pipes!]  I think maybe you should provide them with some alternative solutions

       to keeping their cattle out of the streams.  I just dont think they will take the time out of

       their laborious lives to look them up.

 

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Although a lot of pollution is caused by factories and ďcity folkĒ Farmers need to take

       responsibility. We do need to eat the crops ďyaíllĒ grow but using natural pesticides would

       help out and you could charge more money. As for the livestock you could build a pond to let

       them cool  off in instead of letting them in the streams.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Although a lot of pollution is caused by factories and ďcity folkĒ Farmers need to take

       responsibility. We do need to eat the crops ďyaíllĒ grow but using natural pesticides would

       help out and you could charge more money. As for the livestock you could build a pond to let

       them cool  off in instead of letting them in the streams.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Instead of cutting out factory useage, how about using the factories around the bay in

       moderation. As for farms, we need to try and manage what we use, because the chemicals

       and fertilizers run into the bay. *** Spelling does not really matter, as long as the point gets

        through***

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       As a trout I would appreciate it if the farmers made sure that all the streams and the

       rivers stayed clean when they flowed into the bay. I would like the opportunity to swim

       free and breath fresh oxygen everyday.

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I really think that you should fence in your streams. It could keep the streams cleaner

       for everyone else. Yeah it'd be costly for you, but think of all the good it could do for

       the enviroment.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Well now. .   this is a very good discussion! I like all the points being brought up but I do

       have to agree that, without the farmers nobody would survive. We live off of all their

       products. But then again how would the farmers do anything without the factories

       making their supplies to do all the stuff it is that they do ?!?!

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Who cares if your great great great great great great grandparents didnít fence your

       farm? You just need to face the fact; your animal feces are polluting the water. Thatís

       the bottom line.

 

    From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       You want us to stop running our big factories, but how would you guys get your farming

       equipment?

    From:   The Feds - Other - EHHS                                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       We know you are upset about having to put all this unecessary work into your farms, but

        dont you think its for the best? Think about the communtity and what's important. What

        do you think?

    From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       You spelled Vegetables wrong.

    From:   Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                              Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Iím sorry that the tractor and the wood for your house, barn, and wire to make the

       fences were all made in the city to make your farm.

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       We are not trying to make your life worse. We are trying to help out the eco system. If

       that means we need to come and put up fences for you we will. Nobody is perfect but

       we are trying to make the world a brighter place for every one.

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Well yall should fence off your animals so they don't poop and pee in our water. We do

       use that water to drink and make food with ya know. We do eat the animals but that

       doesn't mean you can't fence them off.  We're not the only ones who sit in traffic and

       pollute the air. Your guys tractors do the air just as much harm as our vehicles on the

       road do.   We are trying to cut back on how much the factories run so we don't pollute

       the air as much. A lot of the items yall farmers buy from the store comes from those

       factories.

    From:   Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                              Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I liked how you all touched on the previous actions of farming, and whether or not you

       meant to, you bring up some good points on tradition. However, isn't it safe to say that

       times are changing and your group must change their practices in order to keep up with

       the changing Earth? Consider how these government changes affect you, and realize

       that your actions upstream affect the waterways that my people use to sustain their

       way of life and support their families.

    From:   The Drain Pipes! - CB_Ecosystem - EHHS                                               Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Other then putting a fence up, what are yalls alternative solutions to keeping the cattle

       out of the river?  =]~The Drainpipes!

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       do you think that over time that the animals have been in the water that could have been

       part of the problem???

    From:   The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Being a fisherman, let me tell you, we are sick and tired of seeing your animal feces in

       our waters. Now, whether you realize it or not, or maybe you just can't accept the fact

       that you are polluting the water. Now I'm a common man and I know how it is, not

       Industrializing like everyone else; but it's not all the "city folk" who are polluting. We,

       farmers and fisherman, are polluting as well, but there are many things you can do if

       you cared.  Such as: planting buffers.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I think the farmer has a big effect on the water. No one wants to drink water that has

       animal waste or chemicals in it. The chemicals not only have effects on the animals that

       drink it, but also have effects in the farms animals drink it too. i donít think anyone

       wants animals birth defects. Your animals wont be healthy and wonít produce.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       As a tree hugger i did not enjoy this p.o.v I think that having cattle excrete natural

       substances in the stream should be filtered out before it enters the bay.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       we the critters agree that you farmers are not the only ones that are poluting the

       watershed its also the city people as well. they are bullies to but you both contribute me

       and my fellow species dying every day. so we feel that the city folk and you farmers

       should all just try better of not contaminating our waters.P.S. Eat more chiken!

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       we critters agree with you all the city folks and there pollution. they are lazy and there

       cars add to alot of the pollution but yall could find better ways to clean up too. All the

       pesticides you and your buddys put on crops come in our water. its killing us and thats

       not nice! Don't be blaming other people if your group is doing it too.

 

 

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Farmers

Honest Farmers                                                                                    Hampshire High School

                                                                                                                               3/24/2010

  As farmers we believe that it is not all our fault for the water problems of the

Chesapeake Bay. We know that we do contribute to some of the contamination, but it is also

 from run off from parking lots which have oil on them. Certain home owners also have a lot

 to do with it. Some people will just dump anything into the water so it washes away and

they won't have to worry about it anymore but the truth is that they are ruining an

ecosystem. Developing houses also play a part in the watershed problems, it causes more

erosion into the water.

  We believe that if people just show a little more commonsense with things that they do

with the water that it would help a little bit with the problem. Also if factories did

something with certain waste products instead of dumping it into the water then it would be

 cleaner. Us farmers could also stick to our BMP�s better and help waste flowing into the

waters.

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree you alone are to blame. I myself have seen countless times seen people dumping

       garbage in any body of water you can imagine. Factories definetly need to change areas

       of dumping.

    From:   Team MOOOOOOOO! - farmer - MslmnHS                                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       dear honest farmers.. i dont think that anyone is trying to blame farmers for all the

       pollution, but alot of the pollution does come from farms. especially the cow farms.

    From:   Luray Farmers - farmer - LHS(J)                                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

            As farmers, over the past few years, we have done a lot of work to decrease the amount

       of pollution and sediment going into streams.  We have fenced off many areas to keep

       cattle from "walking" into the tributaries feeding the Chesapeake Bay, and have taken

       steps in taking some land out of production to plant trees.  For all the people blaming

       farmers for pollution, let me ask you all this question.  Why has pollution increased over

       the past 15 years when the amount of farmland has decreased due to urban development? 

       If farmers were the main cause of pollution, with less farmland, then why hasn't pollution

       in the bay decreased?

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       Honestly I agree with you because its not all of the farmers fault! Everyone has something

        to do with our Bay. But what can yall do to help?

    From:   The Feds - Other - EHHS                                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       What are you going to do to help with the pollution in the Chesapeake Bay? We understand

        what you are saying but you didn't write alot about how you were going to help solve the

       problem instead you wrote out a list of other people who also make the problem worse.

    From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I believe that it would be best if you added more information. You may say that

       "Commonsense" may fix things, has it fixed things yet? No, so you need to think of more

       ways to help the watershed

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree with your statement because iam a farmer and I am sick of it to so thank you for

       typing all of that.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree with your ideas and what you said about the water pollution. People only care about

        themselves and what they do can affect other things around them. I just don't know how

       your going to get people to change and do these things to keep the water cleaner.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Yes it is not all the farmers responsibility to clean the waters in the Chesapeake water

       shed but we all have a part and leading by example could change the way factories and the

       common citizens start to change.

   From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       as a tree hugger i agree that we need to stop people from dumping in water, a lot of people

       do this just so they wont have to put up with it any more but thats not the truth. later on in

       life it will come back and need to be cleaned up, because it realy hurts the enviroment. it

       takes a min to polute the water but years to clean it up.

    From:   The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I agree with some of your ideas on how others need to help with the Chesapeake Bay. How do

        u expect others to help with the clean up. And What do you think you can do on your part

       that will help?

 

        Response of:  Honest Farmers - farmer - HHS

                             To:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              A BMP is Best Management Practices, and burying the waste would not help because

              then the waste would just seep out into the ground and cause more problems than just

              trying to clean water.

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       That is awesome what you all wrote. People are all the time dumping any and everything

       into our waters. They never take the time to stop and think that maybe just maybe this

       could hurt me or someone else in another way. People now a days are just lazy and self

       centered is surprising that they can even pull themselves out of bed sometimes.

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       as a critter living in the bay i think the farmers have a huge part in with the bay being

       such a mess. when you guys have things that you dont need to use for the farming it gets

        dumped into the water.I need the stream to be clean that way i can live and have fresh

       water.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I agree with you guys. I do believe people are careless when it comes to what they are

       throwing into the water. I also agree that it is not only the farmers that are contributing

        to the pollution. It is parking lots and some home owners too.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I do agree with the commonsense part. But come on, people arenít going to change their

       ways. Most of the people donít even think where they are dumping their waste, they just

       do it. Plus people are so lazy these days they could care less.

 

    From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                                Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       What is BMP and couldn't barry the waste products

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I agree with your ideas on how others need to contribute to the Chesapeake Bay

       Watershed's increasing problem with solution, but what do you think they could do to

       help? Also, in what ways can you help motivate them to do so? I think too that you also

       need to contribute, which you most likely already know. What do you think you can do on

       your part that will help?

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Your facts are very forward and straight to the point. It is a problem that people's cars

        are leaking oil and when it rains, the oil gets all washed away into our water.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Nobody is blaming just the farmers but they do have a role in the pollution of the Bay.

       Like everyone contributes to the pollution but we HAVE to do something about it.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I completely agre with your POV. Most people are way to harsh you farmers. You have

       done a great deal to keep the are clean and protect out watershed.

 

 

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The Scapegoats                                                                                             Harrisonburg HS

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

  As farmers in the Chesapeake Bay watershed, we realize that we are responsible for

some of the pollution in the bay, which is a result of farming practices required by

competition and a lack of income from the public buying local food. Also, we are not the

sole contributors to the pollution in the bay, and there are other factories and businesses

that are as much of the problem as we are so we all need to work for a solution.

  We need to get a group of farmers together and build up our responsibility to the

environment. We have to come to a consensus that we are not the only ones in the world

and have a sense of self-responsibility. If we can build up this will to implement the

changes then the voluntary work will come. Some farmers will see how they can eliminate

unnecessary waste without wasting much money but then we will need alternatives to have

a large-scale change. In order to figure out these alternatives we need help from the other

 groups to fund research. If people like developers, recreational, and the local government

can see that we are considerate and willing to change then a consensus solution can be

considered. A representative from this group could meet with leaders from other groups to

 expresses our position. This could lead to the implementation of best management

practices and the research could lead to benefits for all sides in terms of less runoff,

higher yields, and greater profits.

Any solutions to the problems in the Chesapeake Bay will hurt us. Although we feel that a

tax on our part would be helpful to the cause as would reforms in our farming methods we

also realize this would be bad for our business and it would not be enough for us to tackle

this problem alone. We need incentives to change our practices or some kind of government

 subsidy to change our farming techniques. If not we would not make a profit. We could

propose a new plan for farming to the government and they could then estimate what the

cost would be and could implement a raise in certain taxes such as luxury or ones that

involve the bay (ie. boats, fishing, etc.).

We cannot count on others to help clean up our non-point pollution. The point source

polluters will try to keep their efforts to the easy jobs and will fight as hard as they can to

 stay out of our clean up projects. We understand how difficult it will be to prevent non-

point pollution from our farms and we can only hope that others will help us. The reality is

that we must put all of our efforts together and just feel lucky when outsiders help us.

If we could not lower them to the levels that were required we would fight to merely

reduce them as low as we could while still being economically viable. We cannot destroy our

 livelihood for the Bay because if we fail then people donít eat. If people donít eat then

they will either be paying higher prices for imported food or starving. We would hope that

we could reduce our levels over a bit of time, wait for others to try and change their

lifestyles as well and see how the Bay is. Over time new technologies will rise and research

that could allow us to meet our high goals of finally getting the Bay back into perfect

health.

 

 

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        Response of:  The Scapegoats - farmer - HburgHS

                             To:  Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

              Responding to Super Fishy Fisherman, I find multiple problems with your counter

              statement. First of all, we werenít saying that we were not a problem at all, we were

              just saying that we receive an unnecessarily large portion of the blame from all other

               groups, especially citizens. Most chemicals in the water come from companies and

              citizens who overuse pesticide. If we were to build a drain on our property, weíd still

               have to treat the water to remove all nitrogen and other chemicals. Obviously, this is

              too expensive to ever be implemented but thank you for your advice anyways.

        Response of:  The Scapegoats - farmer - HburgHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

              We understand that it may be difficult to control our waste but that does not mean we

               can forget our responsibilities. Sometimes the biggest improvements come from

              going against the hardest problems. As farmers we have to further our profits while

              making improvements for the coming generations. Our fathers realized that they

              could save their land and use it more efficiently all while improving their impact and

              resource use. We now stand at the forefront of saving the Bay, which everyone in

            the entire watershed relies on whether it be directly or indirectly

 

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       this is really thought out and very well writtin i like all the details you took the time to put in

       and it really makes you think about the issue.

 

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You just throw out the fact that you are not a big problem, knowing that a lot of the

       pollution does come from farming. Maybe you should take into consideration more

       organic farming which will reduce the use of chemicals. Knowing that a lot of farmers us

        chemicals maybe you should have a run off drain so it will drain into that instead of the

       water supplement. You will still make a profit but you canít tax something that you have

       no control over.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I like you POV I am a farmer so I like what you have said the only thing that I have a

       problem with is that the tree huggers and duck scrubbers need to also realize that

       farmers canít control their waste that easy, thatís just something to think about but

       other wise good job.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       This POV was really thought out. You guys thought of everything and really went into

       detail with your thoughts.

 

 

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Emperor's of the Land                                                                   James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

Farmers are important to the Chesapeake Bay Watershed in several different ways.   As POV:

farmers, we produce natural foods, provide many job opportunities, and overall stimulate

the economy.  However, our fields, cropland, and large machinery are big contributors of

non-point pollution sources.  On the other hand, the Chesapeakeís water may implement

toxins or unnatural amounts of nutrients into our irrigation systems.  Therefore, our

animals may become ill and our crops may not reach their maximum production rate.  Most

often, farmers will be blamed for crops having diseased such as E. coli, even though we

may be completely unaware that our water is not pure.

  The solutions and approaches we have concocted in order to clean up the Chesapeake Bay

watershed are to plant grass and tree buffers around all streams and rivers that flow into

 the Chesapeake Bay; this will filter unwanted chemicals from flowing into the water. 

Second, we will find less harmful pesticides and fertilizers; this will remove harmful toxins

from the groundwater.  Also, we will plant cover crops for the off seasons so the extra

nutrients are absorbed from the soil.  Then we can find a way to remove harmful wastes,

such as oil, from the farmland.  Finally, we will volunteer our time to help clean up the bay.

 In order to put these plans into action, the government will pay to start the plan and will

provide the contributing farmers with a payment every month in order to keep the plan in

motion.  All farms will be provided with information pertaining to Best Management Practice

 methods. Farmers will be more willing to participate in this once they learn how much this

plan will improve their farm quality and that they will not have to spend a lot of their own

money. 

  In conclusion, this plan will greatly reduce excess nutrients in the bay such as phosphorus

and nitrogen.  It will remove large amounts of harmful substances from our streams and

rivers that flow into the Chesapeake Bay.  This plan will be very costly, but with the

governmentís assistance we will not have to sacrifice much of our own money, and it will

greatly improve the overall health of the Chesapeake Bay Watershed.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       i agrre with your position on the water shed in that it effects us all.  i also agree that

       mesures should be taken to plan for not only clean up and preservation but also the future

       planing for the water sed. 

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       You have a very good plan of action to clean up the bay. Buffer zones between you crops

       and streams would also be a helpful idea and man made ponds for your livestock to go in

       instead of using streams would be another way of cleaning up the bay.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

        You have some good ides but thatís only the start of it you need to have everybody to be

       helping to have a bigger affect thatís the hardest part.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       i agree with you this time because the programs will help greatly and with the farmers that

       have not alot fo money maybe the government can find more programs to help with that other

        wise i like it.

 

        Response        Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              For a less harmful fertilizer, we could set up compost piles in farms that will

              provide nutrients to our crops.  For a less harmful pesticide, we can inform the

              participating farmers about an integrated pest management program that

              incorporates ways to prevent pest intrusions before they become an issue.  For

              the matter of covering the costs of the plan, there is the CRP which will pay for

              at least 50% of the costs and there is the EQIP helps with 75% of the

              participating farmers' payments.  The EQIP helps for 3 years, so programs such

              as those will greatly help with the costs.  For farmers that cannot afford it, we

              can implement lower payment plans for them.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You have a great ideas its just how much is this all going to take is the problem. Knowing

       that one of the main parts is from the farmers but also knowing that not use of less

       affective ness will lose money on the farmers part by using less effective chemicals, as

       I said in another comment we could setup pipes with filters and use that. Farmers could

       also use hydroponic farming that way they can control where the waste goes.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       #1 I like the responsibility that this team makes about protecting the bay by planting grass

       and tree buffers, but what are the less harmful pesticides and fertilizers? While still

       using these wonít we still have the harmful toxins in the groundwater? Also how will you

       get the government to give you money to start the plan? It canít be this easy if the job

       will be costly. 

       #2 I agree with you guys. We do need to plant grass and tree buffers all around the

       streams. It would also be great to use less harmful pesticides or even use natural

       fertilizers. But how will you guys be able to remove harmful wastes from the farmlands

       #3 I love your POV I am a farmer so I thank you for what you said because people donít

       realize that it has a huge effect on us and the government will take a look at that plan.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I really like all the ideas that you came up with they will definitely help lower pollution in

       the bay but, how do you plan on having all the farmers take part in this practice? Not all

       farmers have enough money even with the governments help.

 

 

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EMRT Farmers                                                                                James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

Farmers take care of the watershed. They try to keep the streams clean so the animals   

and plants have clean water, and the humans have clean water to use in their homes. But

the pollutants in it can possibly hurt the family, plants, and animals. Why this is so? It is

because the pollutants produce bacteria and viruses that could be spread from animals to

humans. Another thing is that the water is so badly polluted it could harm the plants. If so

the plants are hurt by the water and the bacteria in it killing the plants the farmers could

lose money, and farmers rely on their own crops to sell and eat. If they don't have any of

those to make money and not eat, they could be poor and starve.

The solution we could solve these problems is using cover crops- this crop will help prevent

soil erosion and deadly bacteria settling into the farmer's soil. Another thing is to build a

fence protecting the animals from going to a polluted river so that the disease from the

river wouldn't be carried to animals and then humans. By the fence being up and around the

 animals that stops the animals from using the bathroom in the river.

The fencing and cover cropping would cost the farmer money. In my opinion the state or

government should help with the cover cropping to help unpollute their problems. If the

government is going to make us pay for the land ordinances they should give the farmers a

tax break. Either way if you had to pay for it or not it would help greatly. Due to the fact

that it would again prevent erosion like it was said before, and prevent more bacteria from

the pollutant. Farmers would participate more and be more interested if the government

pays the buffers to be put in and cover cropping. The projects to help the farmers could

be structured if many of the farmers in the United States would request from the

government to have it happen. If all the farmers disappeared there would be no

domesticated animals, wouldn't be any crops to sell or eat. I feel many people in the world

wouldn't survive due to not enough food and some countries can't trade foods.

 

 

 

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    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       You have a very good plan of action to clean up the bay. Buffer zones between you crops

       and streams would also be a helpful idea and man made ponds for your livestock to go in

       instead of using streams would be another way of cleaning up the bay.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       how exactley do you think you think you keep the lands and waters clean when you drive

       you big gas gussling tractors around all over the place. um their harmful to animals love.

       but other then that you have great points and ideas. Keep it up!

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       well the farmers are not the ones that are polluting the waters so if the duck scrubbers

       are whining about that then us the government will find programs to help fund chemical

       companies to find better pesticides.

 

        Response        EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              Since you all do not agree tell us another altamatum to ensure less pollution?

        Response        EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              i agree but all pesticides are harmful to the enviroment

 

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I donít agree that the government should have to pay for the farmers to get less

       harmful pesticides. I feel that should be the farmersí job. The government just canít

       keep shelling out money, especially how the economy is right now. Plus that would have to

        be a pretty big fence to build to keep all farm animals from polluting the river. 

 

    From:   Waffle Squad - recreation - GCHS                                                         Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       i thought you all did a very good job on covering the main points of your discussion. but i

       would like to see it more in depth.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

         I agree, but not all farmers try to do everything they can to minimize the effects of

       water pollution. There environmental safe pesticides that all farmers should be forced

       to use.

 

 

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The Hand that Feeds                                                                     James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

Being a farmer in the watershed, we have to work the hardest. People count on us to raise   

livestock, produce food, grow plants and occasionally move trees out to make more land.

The Chesapeake Bay affects us because sometimes the air and water gets polluted. Cattle,

pigs, chickens, bulls and other animals get sick from the polluted water. If the water was

good all the time and there were no chemicals in it then the cattle would be a lot healthier.

Also the harvest would grow faster and sweeter or spicier. We as farmers would really

appreciate it if everybody would keep the water clean because in the end it's only hurting

themselves.

 

Farmers already spent over 15 million dollars on Best Management Practice (BMP). This

reduces bacteria, sediment, and nutrients. We have spent so much money in BMP initiatives,

cost-shared programs, and other projects. Nobody thinks 200 million dollars will suddenly

be made available, to meet environmental goals. If we spend that money we will get many

benefits. We won't have to worry about on our land. Our cattle and livestock will be

healthier due to clean bay water. The most sensible thing to do is limit funds available to

install as many projects as possible. We need to be committed to protecting and preserving

the Chesapeake bay and improving water quality.

 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree with the comment posted on 4/9/10

       Farmers do go through a lot of work to make healthy food to satisfy us all. I think that if

       city folk and country folk would work together for once our lands would be cleaner and so

       would our food. Not only that but we wouldn't be using so much money on keeping

       everything clean when it already is.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Farmers do a great job at protecting the environment. People need to take lessons from

       them.  Burn off a little extra celeries and walk to the trash can.  You guys also gave some

       good interesting facts about things good job!

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       The water pollution does hurt your animals and crops but other people aren't the whole

       problem. Fertilizer in pesticides you spray on your plants washes of and goes down stream,

        livestock go into the streams and put waste into the water. You can't blame everyone else

       for the problems of the bay unless you do things like create buffer zones, use natural

       pesticides, and man made ponds for the animals to go to.

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       people do rely on you all but when you all are polluting our water and stuff its hurting

       us,because we will in te this water. we have to have clean water. but you all you all have to

      do your livestock and things but i think you all shouldnt do it near the water.

    From:   The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       This is a great pov. You covered almost everything. Even though u said the bay affects your

       animals what could u do to improve the bay beside the BMP.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Like everyone else the farmers has a part in keeping the water clean. Some farmers donít

       care happens down stream from them as long the waste and pesticides is out of there way

       but it affects other farmers down stream. Everyone that lives, work in or out of the water

      has to be careful in what they do and use.

        Response of:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/30/2010

              I think this is the best one yet. This POV is really in depth with everything they say.

              They defiantly deserve an A+.

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    From:   Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                              Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Your group makes a good point with pollution affecting your cattle, though I think that is

        a much smaller problem then you guys make it out to be. In fact, other than small

       amounts of pollution from urban areas, I believe that it is actually you yourselves that

       are causing the majority of pollution that affects your cattle. Regardless of the amount

       of cleanup you guys have partaken in, your poor farming practices are ultimately causing

        the very pollution that you complain about, and it is this very pollution that cause

       problems further downstream, and in the bay.

 

 

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United  Farmers of the Chesapeake                                              James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

We The Farmers of the Chesapeake Bay area in order to form a more perfect environment 

 vow to make sure we do not harm our surrounding area. - United Farmers Of The

Chesapeake Bay

 

We the farmers find ourselves to be important to the Chesapeake Bay because we provide

the majority of the crops, milk, and beef in Virginia. The bay's problems directly affect our

 crops and animals which in turn will hurt the community as well. The solutions could only

benefit us by increasing the health of our crops and animals. The solutions that our group

would prefer are mainly cover crops, plant buffers, and NMPs.

 

The cost of our solutions shouldn't be too great. The main thing that we would have to give

up is some farm land around the stream and bay. Although these solutions will cost us some

 land, the over all benefit will be well worth it in the end. Nothing more could be done to

make our group participate seeing as it would seriously help our farms. Our plans for the

solutions are already structured to allow us to prosper. If we were harmed as a result of

this the surrounding area would be hurt as well. We are a main source of grains,

vegetables, beef, and milk.

 

Considering the past statement and thought, this will be our plan of action. We all know that

 the bay is currently in poor condition and we as farmers can tell. So from here on all

farms within a five mile radius of the bay will be forced to become eco-friendly. They can

easily do this by using solar or wind power and making sure that they use fertilizers and

pesticides that do not pollute the water or harm the environment. These chemicals

shouldn't be used within the radius unless they are eco-friendly. The planting of cover

crops and grass buffers will be completely necessary to filter out the pollutants. A fence

that is one half mile away from the stream and bay will be built to keep animals away from

the stream and bay to prevent harm to either. Waste from the animals could pollute the

water and the animals could damage the banks of the stream or bay. Last but not least, our

 final plan is to make sure that everyone in the area, including us, recycles.

 

 

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    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I like the ides that you guys think about the production of your crops and that if the water is

        cleaner you well have better crops and animals.

 

        Response of:  United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Yes the wind would take up more but if we make more electricity than we need, the

              electric company has to buy it off of us. there for making a profit. Thank You

        Response of:  United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              dear White Hall Government, we believe that sacraficing a half of mile is worth a

              clean Cheasapeake.  Thank You

 

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I like how you address the idea of putting up buffers and knowing that you would loose

       land and putting your differences aside just to make the differences is a great role. I

       like the idea of a 5 mile radius to be more eco- friendly but, also think about the other

       factors u could use more hyro ponics farming on peas green bean ect. all of the smaller

       plant.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Your POV is okay just something to think about is that if you loose farm land that means

        thousands and thousands of dollars out the door and you do not want that at all so just

       think about that.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       The ideas you have come up with make a lot of since but, wind farms and solar panels

       are expensive and will take up more farmland from farmers. Your best bet is just to

       stick with eco-friendly pesticides and planting tree and grass buffers those are a cheap

       and effective ways to limit pollutants in the bay.

 

 

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CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee)                                              East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

 

Farmers are very important because they provide many different types of crops, dairy and

 deli products. Without farmers most goods wouldn't be produced. Farming has a wide

variety of employment, there are many farmers living around the Chesapeake Bay

watershed. Around 100,000 farmers are estimated to be in the watershed. If these

farmers go out of business, gthen many people can lose their jobs abd even careers. The

food production around the watershed would suffer a tremendous loss. Without farmers

people might be spending more for food and getting less than the normally got. This is why

farmers are important.

There are many ways all of us can fix the Bay's problems, but, that would mean taking

away a lot of freedoms from farmers. Using pesticides increases agricultural production

and productivity, but this is greatly affecting the Chesapeake Bays ecosystem. Farmers

have discovered some alternatives to using pesticides. These alternatives consist of:

Polyculture (which is the growing multiple types of plants in the same place), Crop Rotation

(growing a series of dissimilar types of crops in the same area), planting crops in areas

where the pests that damage them do not live, and Trap Crops (attract pests away from

the real crop). These are all ways that farmers could help the ecosystem of the

Chesapeake Bay, but, they also have affects on Farmers. Substituting real pesticides with

alternative solutions would take more recources, more land, and probably put more

sedimentation into the Chesapeake Bay.

Polyculture would be better because you are using less pesticide. It would be better than

using the pesticides because there you are growing many types of crops that on time. We

as farmers do not have to stop using pesticides completely we can instead of using 75% of

pesticides we could cut down and only using about 35%. It would cut down on the pollution

going into the water and into the Chesapeake Bay watershed.

 

 

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        Response of:  CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              As you stated in your thoughtful question that farmers love using chemicals, farmers

              don't love using chemicals except it is the most efficient way to grow crops with the

              technology, like we could all say fishermen love drag fishing that tears up the bay

              ecosystem, but that is "puffery." The hydro ponics that you talked about would be

              expensive to many farrmers and the waste ponds for animals would be a good way to

              get rid of extra chemicals and other wastes but as we said before it would be

              expensive, So instead of just farmers taking the hit, the fisherman could also

              improve their fishing techniques. To keep the bay ecosystem healthy and improve

              river water.   sincerely,  CBCC

    From:   The League of Extraordinary Fisher People - Waterman - EHHS          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       We agree that using 35% would reduce pollution but we see concern on the food market

       that would drop drastically, so we propse using only the amount needed for crop production

        which you could obtain from a local agricultural department. The departmernt would

       probably have amounts needed for local crops so only the perfect amount would be used or

       a regulation where farmers could use within a small range, the perfect amount of

       fertilizers and pesticides.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       If farmers clean up the water would be cleaner then there would be better crop and animal

            production it could make you more money.

 

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Farmers should cut down on pesticides because they are hurting animals and people

       down river, Fishermen in the bay are having trouble because fish are dying from the

       pollution farmers and others make up stream. Crop rotations is a good idea for cutting

       down on over farming, another possibility would be to put in a cover crop to cut down

       erosion.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I do agree with the fact of loosing jobs and that will hurt our industry. But there are

       more eco friendlier was of farming most farmers donít agree with those ideas because

       they love the fact of using chemicals. But benign a farmer you can use hyro ponics and

       also different filtering systems on the crops and plants. You can have the animals away

       from the water and build them there own pond there fore there waste doesnít go into

       the water that we are relining on.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I like your POV its just you have to think about how your crops would be affected by

       only using 35% of pesticides and also polyculture is expensive so also think about that.

       But other wise good job.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think you did a great job with this. That sounds like a great idea cutting the pesticides

       down to 35%.

 

 

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Cow Paddies     (name changed 4/7/2010)                                                         East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

EHHS Farmers  

March 26, 2010

 

The bay's problems affect us by water pollutions and air pollutions. Water pollution comes

from run-off from rains and when farmers let there cows in the rivers. Water pollution is

a very serious problem for those of us who live in the chesapeake Bay water shed. Us

Farmer have to be more careful about controlling where the cattle are and where we put

chicken and cow manure.

 

Building litter sheds, it would cost at least 70,000 dollars. It would affect how much

money I would have left for farm supplies. It would save me money in the long-run, and

would help the environment on my part of not letting litter and other wastes runoff into

the rivers, streams and creeks. Build fences to keep the animals from getting into the

rivers and streams, it would cost a couple of thousand of dollars. Dig a pond in the field

for the animals to bathe in, therefore the animals wouldn't need a river to get into to cool

down or wash off. A man-made pond would cost around 20,000-30,000 dollars. Most of

these solutions would take a lot of money and labor. Most of these solutions would help in

the long-run, and maybe in the short-run.

 

I could give up chemical pesticides that might cause water pollution, Try and keep my

livestock away from the rivers and other waters. I stand to gain government funds to help

with watering my livestock and paying for other ways to keep insects off of my crops.

 

Yes, farming is a needed process to our environment if there wasn't farming people would

die. Farming is an agriculture opportunity for all the food we buy in the stores and up to

the cattle, hogs, and chickens we kill each year take part in an important part of the world

today. If there was no wheat or corn then half the foods we eat would be gone. There

would be no milk, no bacon, and no eggs if there isn't any of that then the world would go

under.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree with your position. Possibly, maybe you could actually transport the waste and

       litter to cropfarmers? Maybe even sell it, if money is an issue.

        Response of:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              There is no way that we can build fences to keep crows out of the water streams.

        Response of:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              The air pollution that farmers would contribute would be carbon monoxide from

              tractors, and Methane gas from fertilizer.  Yes air pollution from using deisel fuel. I

              know we need deisel fuel for our tractors but we could invest in bio deisel, it will

              take a lot of work to get everything together but it would pay off to the atmosphere

              and help keep those protesters off our dang on backs. 

    From:   The League of Extraordinary Fisher People - Waterman - EHHS          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Don't you think that waste ponds would be better than litter sheds because the ponds can

       store the waste and is less expensive, also perhaps you could contact the local agricultural

       department for statistics for fertilizer absorption for certain crops so you can use as

       close to the perfect amount for your crops instead of using as much as you please.

   From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       So you said air pollution too! so what air pollution do farmers contribute?

 

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Building sheds, ponds, and fences would be expensive for the farmers, but we need them

        to provide food for the bay population. I think it would be a good idea for the

       government to help out the farmers to go green without making the farmers raise there

       prices to outrageous rates.

 

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       My out look on it is we have to put in homes for the animals and things that live in the

       waters. We wood need lots of rocks and loggs for frogs and snakes to live in. Lots of

       wooden fences to keep out cows, horses and anything else that wood mess with the

       streams.

 

 

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The Farming Deer Assasins                                                                              East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

We are the farmers the ones who some what help pollution and then sometimes we help   

keep it unpolluted. Whenever farmers put manure on their fields this sometimes runs off

into the rivers and streams that are near the sprayed field. Some farmers have fixed their

fields to which the run off will not run into the river. Farmers are important in the society

because they provide almost all of the foods that go into the stores. The meats and

vegetables all come from the farms.

      The dirty polluted water from the bay affects a lot with our farms. We get the water

for our animals and plants. The dirty water can make the animals sick and they can die wich

 means they never get to go to market. Our plants may never grow to full potential and

may be messed up when they grow. Some farmers will go bankrupt due to the expense of

the regulations made to try to keep the water clean.

      We can be affected by many of the solutions. Paying too much money can make some

farmers bankrupt. Reducing water intake can cause us to have to cut down on the number

of animals we raise and food we grow. Which will cause a lot of prices on different things

to go up.

     We would have to hear different kinds of solutions that have been made and then

figure out which one will help benefit us as well as the rest of the community the best.

 

 

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        Response of:  The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              About Our POV. We can keep our cows out of the Streams. As well as the rest of our

              animals. Some farmers dont have the money for it however.

        Response of:  The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Germs obviously are the major problem. caused by all the pollution.

        Response of:  The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Ours is a piece of work? How do expect farmers to pay for all theese expensive

              projects when we can not afford. We already have to pay too much extra money for

              all the tax hikes.

        Response of:  The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              do you all think that germs are the problem?

        Response of:  The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              You guys need to face the simple fact that the pollution is not all farmers faults. Most

               farmers are having financial problems and can not afford all theese fancy things to

              help clean the water and raise there animals.

   From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Farmers do a lot to help the averment.  The water needs to be clean for them.  What kind of

        things should they talk about in the groups that meet?  What could some of the solutions

       be.  The farmers could hold actions to rais money for the meetings.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Your right about how many ways the bay can affect the farms. You will have to figure out

       ways to clean the runoff water and water that flows to your farms that wont cost you an

       arm and a leg. But you will probably have to sacrifice something so one thing can be better.

        We do need farmers for food and everything because you are right about how much food

       you provide for the population.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       So...you just go by the cheasapeake bay and bring buckets of water to let your animals

       drink the water?....and the last time I checked wal-mart buys food from other countries,

       and mostly the farmers around here just plant enough to feed themselves.

    From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Don't you think that it would be best if you would buy something to keep the water clean.

      The reason for thies is that there will always be germs in the water.

    From:   The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Your POV is not really telling us how to fix it, but just some facts. But You do make a good

       point without farming we would have no food.  how could you tell me what you could do to

       help?

 

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You are just focusing on the facts of the problems not of how to fix the problems. To

       fix some of the problems would be to move the fields with manure away from the fields

       with the pesticides on them. You do make a point without farming you would have no

       food. But you need to understand that there can be regulations on the pesticides and

       also the animals being near the water. Setting up pipes and filters you control what goes

       into the water and decided how to control the regulations of what goes into the water

       supplement.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Your POV is a piece of work um the farmers are not responsible for the pollution if

       manure runoff goes into the river then us the government will have to have the tree

       huggers and the duck scrubbers make up a plan for a water treatment plant or

       something because the farmers cant help that and you all are not the reason for the

       pollution.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Farmers would take a big hit on their money to fix their farms so they were eco friendly

        but they also need clean water for their business. What if the Government could give

       tax breaks to farmers who make attempts to go green so that they wont go bankrupt

       and they will be helping the environment.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You should talk about what you would do to help the Bay not be polluted.

 

 

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Cornstalkers                                                                                                      East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

We are important because we grow large quantities of vegetables and meat. We are also   

important because we can stop most of the pollutants from going into the water. We

provide all dairy products. We can provide jobs to others.

 

The Bay's problems affect us in many ways. It affects us by taking away our sediment and

 fertilizers which we would much rather have here. The Bay's watershed provides water

for crops and livestock.

 

The more land it takes away the less food supply we are able to supply, and which we make

 less profit. We have to spend more money to get the land back and keep the land from

washing away.

 

We could put in grass buffers to slow down the sediment and fertilizers going into the

streams. We could fence off the stream so the cattle stay out. We could build little ponds

for the cattle to go into instead of the stream.

 

The solution would benefit us by having cleaner streams; less land would go down stream.

With less land going down the river, we would make more money because we would have

more land to grow more crops.

 

We are glad that we can try to help with the watershed's around the Bay. We are not the

only ones that can help solve this problem. We are not the only problem. We need everyone

to help solve this problem. The homeowners, the farmers, the developers, the watermen,

tourists, Government. We feel that the biggest problem is coming from the inner city where

 the pollution is more direct. The regulations are not being followed as they should be.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I can agree with what you say. I feel that if you had a larger area of land to grow, you

       could make much much more money. Corn is a very good crop and its useful for ethanol and

        food. Corn is something that needs surplus for these things though. You cant just hope

       things will work out, you should purchase large amounts of flat ground with hay barriers

       for fertilization.

        Response of:  Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              You wanted to know how we grow our meat.  Here is how we do it, we grow it on trees.

                No actually we raise cattle and grow crops.

        Response of:  Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS

                             To:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/8/2010

              i would like to see you plow 50 acres by hand.

   From:   EcoDawgs - local_gov - LHS(J)                                                                Ask

                                                                                                                           4/7/2010

       This is a wonderful point.  Im glad to see there are still people who have common sense.

 

    From:   Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       We would like to know how you grow meat? So why don't you turn off your tractors and use

       a plow? How does the bay take away your fertilizers and your sediment?

 

   From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Your idea of keeping the cows out of the streams by building ponds is very good. I do

       agree that a lot of pollution is coming from the inner cities but not all of it, everyone has

        to take responsibility for their actions and must work together to clean the bay for

       future generations.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Yes use grass buffers and put up a fence. Spending a little money wonít hurt and it will

       keep the Bay much cleaner.

 

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I like your ideas for the prevention of pollution in the streams. I agree also that you're

       not the only problem and the only solution, but you do play a big part, along with the

       inner city, as you mentioned. I'm glad to see you are actually coming up with plans to

       help, and are voicing your opinions on how others should help as well. In what ways,

       though, do you think you could get people from other POV's (for example the inner city)

       to follow their regulations more accurately. I believe that if we can get them to help, it

       will do even more for the progression of the non-pollution goal in the Chesapeake Bay

       Watershed.

 

 

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Lexicon Farmer Inc                                                                        James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/29/2010

        As a farmer I contribute to several of the wastes in the Chesapeake Bay. The gas, oil POV:

and other contaminates from my machines leak, the cow's manure is all over the field, the

pesticides on my plants soak into the soil, phosphorus binds to our soils and mostly moves

into streams during major storms, and plowing causes a lot of sedimentation in the rivers

where animals live at. All the things I do pollute the water where the animals live and drink

from. An additional thing is that if the water gets polluted, then the crops I nurture with

the same water might be contaminated and they could mess up my crops which costs me

tons of money and complaints. Some environmentalists would say I am the cause of all the

things that the Chesapeake Bay is suffering from, I beg to differ. If you took farmers

away or put a major cost on having to become a farmer then it would bring down my own

families income because there wouldn't be enough food to sell.  

 

I am willing to stop while I'm ahead and put a helping hand in to actually help the

watershed as long as it doesn't cost me a large amount of money. There are plenty ways I

can help; some ways consist of, putting up buffers so the contaminated water doesn't run

into the watershed and cause the water to be polluted, putting cover crops on all my crops,

 becoming an all organic farmer so the chemicals I put on my plants are all natural, using

natural fertilizers, and putting in a filtration system. If I changed the way farmers usually

are today then maybe I will make a name for myself and more people would buy my food

to benefit me directly. As being a responsible farmer, I am also willing to tell other

farmers that they should do the same and we can make our way back to a cleaner,

healthier watershed.

 

 

 

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    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       the food prices dont bother me its the duck scubbers and the tree huggers that do so

       you made them happy by putting in those buffers.

 

        Response        Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)

                             To:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              Alright White Hall Government and The Hand that Feeds my prices just went up

              to offset the cost for your buffers. Enjoy your exspenses food. 

 

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You said you will help as long as it doesnít cost you a large amount. This problem will

       cause a lot of money to fix we are trying to fix year and years of damage. You need to

       understand you will make more money in the long run. Why does everything have to deal

       with money and not how healthy the environment is

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You are not responsible for the pollution now if you spill a lot of gas or oil that is one

       thing but leaking machinery is not a reason and the cow manure is fine where it is you

       are not the reason that the bay is tore up.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I like how you are taking some responsibility for pollution of the bay. I think that it

       would be a good idea to act on some of the solutions like buffer zones between your

       farm and streams or natural fertilizers.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       tree and grass buffers only help so much. you are going to have to take more

       responsibility on your farm equitment. there is no reason it should be leaking enough to

       cause damage to the farmland.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       The second paragraph where is says that youíre willing to help but not give any money

       up? Thatís not right. Of course youíre going to give up some money so just deal with it.

       You got to give a little to get a little.

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You have good ideas to stop the pollution in the watershed. All these things will help

       eventually along with the help of others. Plus youíre not only helping just you and other

       farmers but your helping everyone that lives in the watershed by keeping everything

       organic and growing buffers around the stream.

 

 

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DM&S Farm                                                                                                 North Harford HS

                                                                                                                               3/30/2010

As farmers, we need to take of our crops and by doing so, the fertilizers we use run down into  

streams which provides them with toxins.  All streams lead to the Chesapeake Bay, so we play

some part in polluting the bay.  This is part of a chain reaction because we eat and drink the

life in the bay, so if we pollute it, it can potentially harm us.  In order to help prevent this

issue, we will cease using fertilizers for our crops and instead we will use manure.  Hopefully

this will help prevent, or reduce, the spread of pollutents and toxins that are contained in the

Chesapeake Bay.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Hi. You should use fertilizers, but you need to provide a buffer between the crops and the

       river. Its a good thought to use just manure but most the time it is not enough

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Yes you need to use fertilizers sometimes to help your crops. But by using manure it will

       pollute and harm other things. When the manure runs off into rivers and into the bay it will

        hurt the fishermen. It can also pollute our drinking water. So using manure might not be

       the best idea.

    From:   The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       As a fisherman using manure would not help. using manure is just as bad with more bacteria.

       it may seem like it would be better but when it runoff it like putting animal feces in the

       water.

 

    From:   master moonkufu - local_gov - HHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       We appreciate that you are at least aware of your contribution to the problems of the

       Bay. However, your runoff from the farm contains nutrients that are organic in nature

       or synthetic and either way its the excess of these substances that are the problem, not

        necessarily the type. Be aware that you may soon not have a choice as our local

       government is considering restricting how you will be allowed to farm, indeed, IF at all

       unless you change your filthy ways.

 

 

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talbut farms                                                                                                      Musselman HS

                                                                                                                                4/13/2010

Our stakeholder position is to represent the farming industry. Many people blame farming POV:

for contributing a large amount of pollution to the chesepeake watershed. Contributing to

the problem with artificial fertilizer  and pesticides. Also the manure which the livestock

contributes. All of this soaks into the ground and will end up in the bay. killing fish and

other wildlife. I agree that its not a good thing to have some of theses things in our

streams, but I don't think at all farming is the leading cause of pollution or hurt the

watershed much at all. There has been major farming in the chesepeake water shed for

more than 200 years and within the past 20 or so years the bay and rivers have been

getting bad. I beleive the major cause of this is the explosion of population and urban

sprawl in the region. So I think the farmers get alot of the blame for nothing. Epople think

they know how farming works and how hard it is, but the people who blame the farmers

for all these things have never worked or lived on a farm. Farmers have anough problems

to wrry about their cows polluting a stream. Farmers barely make enough farming to

survive let alone spend more money fencing off a stream or something.

 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We agree that farmers are not the major cause of the pollution in the aire. The region is

       growing in population which is making more trash. There are more cars on the roads that

       are having oil leakage and anifreeze problems. When it rains all the oil and the trash from

       people littering are going into the streams and polluting them. The major problem is not

       from the pesticides and manure that the farmers use, its from the people not caring about

       the streams around them.

    From:   Team MOOOOOOOO! - farmer - MslmnHS                                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree farmers have to worry about staying a afloat Financially. More than worrying

       about pollution they may be causing.

 

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Team MOOOOOOOO!                                                                                         Musselman HS

Beef cattle/ corn and hay                                                                                        4/13/2010

Beef Cattle FarmerPOV:

I'm a beef cattle farmer who does not really like all these green rules and regulations. I

have 50 beef cattle and 100 acres of land. 50 of the acres of land are for corn and the

other 50 for the cattle to graze and for us to collect hay for winter.  As true for most

farmers we have trouble making ends meet financially because the drop in demand and

increase in supply. The green rules make it harder with it being more costly to use more

expensive pesticides and other things that are cleaner for the environment.  We want some

way to make it less expensive and less of a hassle to be green and follow the green rules.

As far as nutrient plan, we have chosen crop rotation to make sure we don't wear out the

nutrients in the soil, we rotate the crops every three years, and we also have a manure pit

which also supplies more nutrients to the soil. I think that the fertilizer is causing pollution

because of the overuse. I think we need to find some way of finding out how much

fertilizer we need so that their will be no extra nitrogen from over use.  We do have a

couple of creeks near our farm. We have created a riparian buffer between one creek and

 our farming area. The other creek has tall grasses between farming area and creek. This

is to prevent excess nitrogen from reaching the creek and polluting this fresh water source

 and ruining the life in the creek. I understand as a farmer to care for the environment,

but I think we need to find a solution that is supported by the average farmer and the

green people.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       i agrre with your position on the some green rules. However although you don,t like green

       rules you have taken measures that are part of green rules.i am glad you are taking

       measures to perserve the watershed and have exspresed your opinion. i think that farmers

       are not all to blame for this. but i think that our planing comition has failed to plan for

       growth and use of land  

    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       this is a big problem. we need to find a way to make sure were not over fertilizing. we

       need to learn how much we can use with out having to worry about runoff

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Dont buy the expensive pesticides use more envoirmental subsistutes. Only use a little bit

       of fertilizer instead of a lot.
    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Hi. We agree that it is hard to make ends meet with all the rules and regulations. There

       should be a way to make everyone happy. It seem to be that the green people only think

       about the world but not the people on it. Instead of throwing ourselves into it, we should

       slowly progress.

    From:   Wacka Flocka Developers - developer - GCHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

       First of all, I just wanted to say that eventhough the green rules and regulations are hard

       they are worth the hassle. If we do not set up regulations there is no promise that anybody

       else will. Unfortunatley in this case we must follow the saying "if you want something done

        right you have to do it yourself." To address your fetalizer problem if you start

       composting your waste you have a cheap alternative to fertalizer that is more

       environmentaly friendly. Keep doing what you are doing. I'm glad to see other people are

       worried about the environment. Wacka Flocka.

 

 

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Warsaw Farmers                                                                              Rappahannock HS-Harman

                                                                                                                                4/14/2010

Agriculture has been looked on as one of the major sources that affect the Chesapeake

Bay.  The reasons for this speculation are the use of nitrogen and phosphates as two of the

 major nutrients to grow crops.  These two nutrients have had an adverse effect on the

Bay.  From an agriculture standpoint, nitrogen reaches the Bay through leaching into the

water table.  In the last 15 years, the farmers have implemented nutrient management

plans, which look at the crop that is being grown and the yield potential from the soil types.

 This plan recommends the right amount of nitrogen and phosphate to grow the crops

without overusing either nutrient.  The farmers also use multiple applications of nitrogen

instead of one big application so the plant can better use the nitrogen and there is a much

less chance of nitrogen leaching.  Farmers are also using nitrogen stabilizers which keep the

 nitrogen in the root zone of the plants for a longer period of time so the plants can better

 utilize the nitrogen.  Also the uses of tissue samples are used throughout the crop life to

adjust nitrogen rates to the use of the plant.

The primary way that phosphates get into the Bay is through soil erosion into tributary

streams.  One of the ways that farmers have overcome this is by banding phosphates two

inches beside the plant and two inches below the ground surface.  This keeps the phosphate

 in the root zone and available to the plant for better efficiency and making the loss of

phosphate from erosion less likely. 

When farmers stopped plowing up land and stated implementing continuous no-till programs

 for all of their crops it has had one of the greatest positive effects on the health of the

Chesapeake Bay.  It has all but stopped soil erosion because of the crop residue left on top

 of the soil structure begins to improve.  With this improved soil structure, there is less risk

 of soil erosion and runoff which keeps nutrients in the soil and available to the plant.

 

 

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The MODERATOR says this POV is a really terrific recitation of the many actions our farming community has taken to reduce their impact on streams and the Bay.  They/You have accomplished a lot, but more will be needed.  Rather than debate what the additional actions should be, another important question is how those additional actions should be paid for.  You are obviously conversant in farm issues.   Do you think existing government programs will help farmers like you take additional action, or do those programs need to change to increase farmer participation?  If they need to change, do you have suggestions for what they need to do?  

 

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