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The Impact of Meat                                                                                 Gonzaga College HS

Infrastructure                                                                                                         3/23/2010

We, the members of the infrastructure group, completely realize the dire situation of the

Chesapeake Bay and wholeheartedly support the effort to clean it up. However, we do not

support efforts that will hinder the future development of our community.

  For example, we need to build more bridges over the Chesapeake Bay for the betterment

of our community. These projects will provide jobs and allow for easier transportation.

However, there is a possibility that these types of projects could be derailed by efforts to

clean the Chesapeake Bay going overboard. The efforts to clean up the Chesapeake Bay

need to be done in a way that allows for both the improvement of infrastructure and the

rescuing of the Chesapeake Bay. That way, all aspects of society are improved and all

groups are satisfied.

  Another possible solution is to have those more concerned with infrastructure and those

more concerned with cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay to work together. Projects could be

taken that would both improve infrastructure and clean the Chesapeake Bay. For example,

if there are roads that were built in a place that is disrupting wildlife or plant species,

these roads could be re-directed in a responsible way, benefiting infrastructure and

efforts to clean up the Chesapeake Bay.

  In conclusion, those of us most concerned with infrastructure realize the awful situation

that the Chesapeake Bay is in. We also agree that cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay is an

absolutely necessary measure that needs to be taken as soon as possible. However, taking

actions that result in an inability to improve our infrastructure are detrimental to the

community as a whole should not be taken. Hopefully, these initiatives can be taken

together to most improve our society.  

 

 

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    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We understand the need of effort to clean the bay while at the same time benifitting

       infrastructure, adn this is a very important issue.  However, redirecting roads will cost

       millions of dollars that our state and federal governments simply do not have.  In addition,

       the work needed to destroy the existing roads can further damage the environment, pollute

        the water, and be detrimental to the chesapeake bay. 

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I also agree that roads and things like that will not help improve the watershed. I think that

       it would cause more pollution in the bay.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You guys are right we need to clean up those waters. I don’t personally like fish but now

       I’m worried for people who do. Also Male fish producing Eggs that’s a red flag right

       there!

       You guys really need to learn how you’re affecting the watershed. Building the bridges

       you want calls for blasting which causes more pollution to fall in the bay. I have only one

        word for you guys REASEARCH!!!

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I don't fully agree. More roads and bridges aren't going to do anything to help the bay

       unless you're moving in like water experts or something.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       There is a conflict of interest amongst your group, clouding your judgment. Though you

       realize the need to clean the Bay, your chief concerns are that of society, and not of

       the environment. Consider how current bridges can be modified to create a less

       detrimental impact on the Bay, and how future bridges can be built accordingly—

       consider the whole; society and the environment function as one.

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       this information should open a lot of minds about building and etc. This is an extremely

       clever idea. I feel the bay is in need of help as well, but maybe building more roads and

       bridges will stop so much pollution and littering around the bay area.

 

 

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Do Your Job!                                                                                        Hampshire High School

leader                                                                                                                     3/24/2010

Lets forget about homeowners, farmers, developers, watermen,etc. and talk about you, me

even the person down the street pointing the finger at othes isn't helping the water

pollution problem. We should all get together as one and work it out. Maybe we could start

by looking at the two main sources of pollution whih are point sources and non-point

sources. Point sources is the easyiest sources of pollution that we can stop. If we ask the

state and federal government to find somewhere else to put their factory mess and

sewage trash. Non-point source could be easy if we try. Non- point pollution sources come

from streets, parking lots, lawns, fields, barnyards, and contruetion sites. Everyone deals

with at least one of those places. That means stop throwing your trash on the ground. But

it in the trash can. If you see someone doing it, tell them. Everyone is a cause of pollution

and everyone can stop it. 

http:www.cacaponinstitute.org/understanding_pollution.htm

 

 

 

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    From:   Biology Honors Students - Other - MslmnHS                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I do agree with your POV in that as citizens, we should all take part in helping the pollution

        problem.  Picking up trash is a start, but seems elementary.  As a community, we should

       organize our ideas and take part in more advanced projects.

    From:   Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       We agree with you, each person has an impact on the bay. It's not only the homeowners,

       watermen, farmers, etc. Each and every person has an impact on the bays ecosystem.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       This is good instead of blaming others we do need to take some responsibility.   If we stop

       pointing the fingers at others and do our part we can save the environment.   Stopping the

       point and non point pollution is a great way to start

        Response of:  Do Your Job! - Other - HHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              We're happy you liked our POV and thanks for the question. We think if we helped

              people know what their doing and ask if they can do something about it. If they want

              to try to work on we can show them how.

 

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Your right we should be working together. The only thing I have to ask is how you are going

       to convince everyone to join in. It’s easy to convince a person but it’s had to convince

       people, but if you were going to go through with this plan let me say it’s excellent!

 

    From:   United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I totally agree with your point of view on things. Why point fingers at everyone else

       when you’re just as much to blame for the pollution. You kind of contradict your self at

       the end by saying “If you see someone doing it, tell them”. Other than that, great job.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       This POV was not the greatest. I felt like you just put things together in 5 minutes. Next

        time you should take you’re time and think things through.

 

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Let's talk and you and the local government. We are trying our best to prevent factories

        from air pollusion and having our factory waste run down in the streams. There's only

       so much the government can do at one time. We get complaints from everyone, bare with

        us and everyone else and we will most difinatly find a resolution to non-point pollution.

 

 

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BlackBay                                                                                               Hampshire High School

Econsumers                                                                                                              3/24/2010

We want to represent the consumers that eat the fish Chesapeake Bay. There is a lot of

pollution that is going in the Chesapeake that is affecting the fish that we like to eat. 

Everything that people leave on their yards gets washed down to the rivers that end up in

the Bay. Fish have become contaminated with mercury and other things that make them not

 healthy for us to eat. They end up dying because of all the trash that we as people

through in the waters. According to the investigating fish kills the fish have been found to

have sores and parasites. 42% of the male fish have been known to have female eggs in

their testes.  It isn’t safe for people to eat fish now because of all the diseases that the

fish have. The fish are dying off and becoming really expensive to buy because of the

limited supply of them.

 

 

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    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Your idea is extremely thoughtful.  Fish are a nutricious food, but with the pollution in the

       water ecosystems, it is becoming increasingly dangerous to eat these fish.  many people

       are advised to limit their fish consumption for this reason. It would be wonderful to

       encourage homeowners, business, and other citizens to be cautions with the chemicals on

       their grounds.

        Response of:  BlackBay - Other - HHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Some of the things that are being left in people's yards are things like trash, food,

              spare car parts. A lot of things. They could help a lot by just picking up there yard. I

              know that we can't ask them to do this but if they wanted to help then i guess they

              would. They could put up a fence that trap things at the bottom.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       That isn't good indeed.  If the fish sex gets all mixed up then fish won't be able to breed.

       Then no more fish. That is a bad thing.  If there is no more fish then the whole food chain

       falls apart.

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       The people whos waste runs through to the rivers and streams should quit complaining about

       fish not being edible Because they are the ones polluting the water

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I do agree with the consumers that the pollution is killing and hurting the fish that we

       eat and can hurt us too. What are the things that people leave in their yard that get

       washed down into the bay though? What are you going to do about the pollution and the

       trash? I do agree that the bay needs to get cleaned up for the life in the bay and for us

        as consumers because I know I don’t want to be eating a fish with parasites and sores

       on it.  

    From:   United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think you all need to think of reasons to help the pollution instead of sitting back and

       just talking about how bad it is. Get up and do something about it. Or just write about

       things that can help it. We know the pollution is bad. I think everyone does.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You should talk about how you can lower the pollution in the water.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think it repeats a lot of the same stuff over and over. It had a lot of good points but

       im still curious to know how everyone plans on getting homeowners to keep their yards

       clean. Like the whole dirty yards getting washed into the streams. How would you stop

       that ?

    From:   Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                              Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       what are u going to do to lower the pollution in the water and the fish we like to eat. and

       what can you do to git people to use less yard pradocks.

 

 

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James Wood Tree Huggers                                                            James Wood HS - Fordyce

environmentalist                                                                                                       3/25/2010

We are environmentalists; our goal is to try to make people care about cleaning up the

Chesapeake Bay. We try to stop pollution because we care about the water, and the animals

 it affects. The bay is very important to everyone and everything around it. We try to

prevent pollution to the best of our ability. It’s not just a job, it’s a passion.

 

The problems with the bay are hard to spot, and to keep under control. Point source

pollution is much easier to find, and stop because we know the source and treat the

problem. However, non point source pollution is very difficult to find and put an end to

because it could come from anywhere and isn’t treated.  For instance, if “Joe citizen”

decides to dump his oil from his car down the rain sewer, that will run directly into a local

stream. Unfortunately, not everyone cares about the water the way we do, but if they did,

the bay wouldn’ be a problem right now. We try to locate, and stop all pollution that

enters the bay through rivers and streams. When people just don’ care, it makes our job

so much more difficult. Most people are unaware of what they are doing. The slightest

things, like if your car is leaking fluid, chances are you are polluting! When it rains, all those

 fluids flow into sewers, in turn flow into rivers and streams, and eventually the bay. It

also affects our drinking water, not just the bay.

 

  We are doing our part. We are setting trash cans along most of the waterways, trying to

encourage people not to liter. We want to build more waste water treatment plants. This

would create more jobs for people who want to help clean the waters, and ensure healthy

water. We are going to try to educate people on non point pollution, so everyone has the

chance to do their part. Sewers are not for waste only! Yes, some waste does go into the

sewers, but they are mainly for rain water run off. Most sewers lead into rivers or

streams; this is where non point takes the biggest role. We have to think about all the fluids

 from our cars and other things that run into the sewers, and eventually into the streams

or rivers. We want factory inspections; to be sure they are not dumping harmful chemicals

into the waterways. We will try to stop the navy from dumping their septic tanks in the

middle of the ocean instead of doing while docked. And after all that, we would use

donations, and the money left over to clean up the streams and rivers that are terribly

polluted.

 

These solutions will help tremendously in the long run. If we all worked together, we could

make a difference. Clean water affects us all. You might not realize it, but it does. We

environmentalists aka “ree huggers” can’t do it alone. If we start now, the bay, and all

the waterways around it, will be cleaner for the future.

 

 

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    From:   EcoDawgs - local_gov - LHS(J)                                                                Ask

                                                                                                                        4/15/2010

       [To The Feds]  Whether you want to realize it or not,James Wood Tree Huggers group is

       being extremely realistic.  Perhaps YOU should follow what you preach and realize that

       while money may be important, its also important  that it is spent on the correct things.

       Narrow-minded comments such as the one you sent to James Wood Tree Huggers are

       unreasonable and cannot be backed up.  Perhaps someday you will realize how realistic the

       environments' problems are.  Maybe you will realize it when there are no trees left and the

        streams are to toxic to touch withought becoming sick and the air you breathe is so

       polluted you have to wear an airpurifier to walk to work.

    From:   The Feds - Other - EHHS                                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       In the real world, it is all about money. Realistic views are the most important out there.

       Perphaps you should try focusing on them.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree with your thought process and some of your ideas may help, but like you said there

       are non point sources of pollution. Many of those will be harder to prevent or clean out of

       the bay like too much nutrients such as organic nitrogen, and phosphorus   that can harm

       and kill the creatures living in the water .Also air pollution, chemical contamination from  

       sediment runoff that then enter in he food chain and, one after one animals eat the toxins

       in the food web. There's no way to prevent animals from taking in these toxins, all living

       things must eat!

        Response        James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              thank you for pointing that out. Mabye we could lobby for higher taxes like you

              said. it wouldn't make the homeowners happy but it would be for the greater

              good.

 

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       The construction of water-treatment plants is a great idea, but the expense it would

       generate will not be funded by donations alone. Consider an alternative for a revenue to

       fund your projects. Lobbying for higher taxes to help the Bay is one way.

 

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Environmentalists "soul"                                                                  James Wood HS - Fordyce

Environmentalists                                                                                                     3/26/2010

To really make an impact on the environment, it's essential for as many people as possible   

to volunteer. If each individual were to devote an hour of each week to help improve the

environment, we would be living on an entirely different planet. Unlike many jobs, to make a

 difference in the environment you don't need to possess any skills or talents, only the

commitment to make a change.

          As environmentalists we play one of the most important roles in the watershed;

protecting natural resources and the ecosystem.  We are able to do this by influencing the

political process by lobbying, activism and education. Recognition is one of our greatest

goals. If we can just get the public to at least listen to what we have to say, then we

better our chance to not only educate them, but gain participation on our quest to make an

impact on the environment.

            As of now, the Chesapeake Bay Watershed is going through some major problems;

this is causing the environment around it to suffer along with it. Water quality right now is

just terrible, due to the nitrogen, phosphorus, and sediment pollution. Rain causes these

pollutants to run off into local streams, creeks, rivers and even the bay itself. To make this

 change as soon as possible, we as tree huggers must stress to the public about just how

badly we need to reduce the flow of pollution.

          Thanks to all this polluted water, the bay life is having a pretty tough time surviving.

For any life to survive in the bay, both high quality food and habitat are required. As of

now this is nonexistent. Clams and worms can't survive with the polluted environment at the

 bottom of the bay. Without underwater grasses and wetlands the crabs and fish are next

to die out. Now that the foot chain is completely off all the other animals will start dieing

off as well, and then there will be nothing left of this once gorgeous bay. So obviously

something has to be done. As the amazing environmentalists that we are, we will try our

best to gather as many people to collect samples of the water throughout the bay. These

samples will then be graphed continuously over a couple of weeks until we have cold hard

proof of what the bay will soon turn into. We will then alert the public of these problems,

we will protest and preach to them until eventually we have the majority of the public on

our side.

 

 

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    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree that in order to have a better environment every one needs to pitch in and do there

        part, but even with people cleaning the streams and such, we have to look at other factors.

        Such  as industrialized pollutions, and cars letting of pollution. All these will not be easy

       to clean; they can not just be "scooped out". Many of those non point source solutions are

       gases like nitrogen. Its these gases that are killing the  fish and animals that rely on this

       water to survive so how can we do our part in preventing pollution bigger than just

       littering??? That's the question!!

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       It’s a good idea but you expect a lot of people to just volunteer. You should really think more

       about your political movement. Really convince the people that we need to help.

 

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Your POV was engaging, but slightly misleading. The clam and worm populations are

       surviving, despite your allusion otherwise. In order to be persuasive, you must make sure

       your information is captivating as well as accurate

 

 

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Team Green                                                                                     James Wood HS - Fordyce

Environmentalists                                                                                                     3/26/2010

We are important to the Chesapeake Bay because we put the most effort into keeping the   

bay as clean as possible for the future use and benefit of everyone. Many of our efforts

are to help the wildlife; by making sure the bay has enough food and nutrition for all the

plants and animals that call the bay there home. The Chesapeake Bay's problems affect us

from air, and water pollution. Water pollution affects all wildlife, and humans that live in

and around the Chesapeake Bay watershed area. Pollution hurts fish and animals that use

water from the bay, they are being effected by the chemicals from fertilizer which is

hurting growth of the offspring.

Any solution we choose to act upon will affect our lives and the lives of plant and animals

that use the bay. We need to act fast to protect the wildlife, we are the only ones fighting

for the well being of animals because farmers and fisherman are looking to make a profit.

Farmers and fishermen need to realize that if things keep going the way they are they will

begin to lose money because there will be no fish in the bay and crops won't grow anymore.

 The solution we are advising the government to take is to make tax breaks for those who

take the necessary steps to help the bay and go green. Farmers, fishermen, and Businesses

 need to be persuaded to change their ways and the only way to persuade them is to give

them money. Farmers and factories would be asked to create buffer zones between them

and the streams and rivers leading to the bay. Farmers would also receive tax breaks for

cover crops to cut down on sediment reaching its way to the watershed, they would also be

 asked to use more organic fertilizers and pesticides on the crops they have instead of

chemicals that are harmful to the consumers and animals in the watershed.

 

 

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    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       This is an excellent idea.  Tax breaks are great incentives to promote environmental

       action. Perhaps you could create a petition to the state or federal government for this!

       KUDOS.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I think it's a really good idea to have government tax breaks for those who strive to

       protect the bay. Also by having tax breaks on farmers it lower prices for consumers and

       by asking them to use not less pesticides but more organic ones that it would work better

       for both of us.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree in some ways and disagree in others. Yes, you may make sure that the animals that

       rely on you have enough food and nutrients. But at the same time the pollution is more of

       the problem than the food, the pollution becomes the food if not fixed. Small fish take in

       the toxins and the big fish feed off the small fish and so on and so forth all the way down

       the food chain. Food gets polluted, fish die, humans get sick from the water, and nutrients

       are no longer good healthy nutrients but deadly toxins. I also agree farmers and fishermen

        need to do there part as well, but at the same time that's there job and that's how their

       families get feed. But in the end they will lose money at the same time they also need to

       help because that same water creating the pollution sediment runoff could be the water

       they give there animals to drink as well as themselves?

        Response of:  Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Not everyone will agree. No matter how hard you try your not going to be able to

              please everyone. Everyone has there own opinions, and different points to back it up.

               We have no back up plan in mind and just are going to go with this plan. We believe

              that our solution is the most effeciant and quickest way to clean up the bay area.

        Response of:  Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              The problem with forcing the farmers to use cover crops instead of rewarding them

              is that farmers struggle with money already and forcing them to would give them

              problems. We do need to use money to clean up the bay but if we dont use money to

              ensure that it stays clean it will all be a waste.

 

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       this information is very useful and smart. But what happens if not everyone agrees? Will

       you make a back up plan to what they have in mind?

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think you have some very good points. And the whole “give money to the community”

       might actually work. But what if people use the money for stuff other than what there

       supposed to use it on? And with the whole farmers loosing money due to no fish and the

       crops stop growing, I think that will make a huge impact too due to the fact that this

       area is mostly farmland. With tons of farmers.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       The tax breaks suggested in your POV is a good idea, however, the long-term affects of

       tax breaks could cause more harm to the bay then good. Why not mandate that farmers

        use cover crops, punishing them if they do otherwise, instead of rewarding them if they

       do? In the current American economy, tax breaks are unthinkable. Besides, taxes coming

        in now could be used to restore the bay.

 

 

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The Feds                                                                                                           East Hardy HS

Federal Government                                                                                                 3/26/2010

Our nation is in the midst of an economic recession. We are involved in a war that has   

lasted roughly seven years. The world is on the brink of a major oil crisis. And there are

groups out there that would have us shift our attention towards cleaning up the Chesapeake

 Bay. All of the things previously listed relate back to one thing: Money.

 

As the federal government, we make the laws. We represent the people. We interpret the

Constitution, and adhere by it. As a whole nation, we are faced with several difficult

problems. We simply do not have the money or resources to solve them all. Yet, we are

approached by citizens in the community who want to go green. It's a trend that is

sweeping the country. While we can't control the environment, we can try to make it

better. But it's not a top priority. Therefore, we get blamed. If our solution to the problem

 proves to be ineffective, we are blamed again.

 

With money flowing to many different areas, and an anti-littering law already set, we think

it's in our country's best interest for us to launch a nationwide advertising campaign. It is

our hope that this campaign will attract volunteers to clean up the Bay.

 

Advertising is not cheap. But it shows that we are concerned and that we are addressing

the problem. It shows that we care and that we're trying to get more people to care. The

environmentalists will show up. They'll do their part. This will hopefully get the job done,

for the most part. At least enough to put the whole situation on the backburner. We don't

think the Bay should be forgotten. But America is not exactly stable in these present times.

 

It is our hope that other organizations and stakeholders will continue to do their part to

improve the environment. We expect to get negative feedback, but also hope that people

will realize the reality of the situation. Nothing in politics is a quick fix. It is a great

possibility that this will go on for years. But as we do with all the other obstacles we face

as a world power, we will conquer it.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Its never nver an excuse to use the government as a clutch. If the government was to

       distribute money correctly then it wouldnt be an issue in creating a nationwide revolution

       in going green but i can see the direction you are going with.

        Response of:  The Feds - Other - EHHS

                             To:  Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              I think it is the best route, as you stated, to enforce stricter laws against littering. As

               for the advertising program- it is an expensive process. While we are asking

              citizens to give up their time, we do it in good faith. Environmentalists will volunteer.

               The Bay is an important issue to them. They fight for it. If they feel so passionate,

              they'll work.

        Response of:  The Feds - Other - EHHS

                             To:  Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              You clearly have no grasp on the reality of the situation. I will not waste any time

              fixing ignorance. You are welcome to try to read and understand our position again.

              Hopefully, your second attempt will yield better results.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       Okay, so, i understand that there's a recession and everything but the watershed should

       still be a priority...It really isnt all about money its just getting people to recycle and be

       good to the bay. And Cow Paddies if you think that its a complete joke then u obviously

       dont understand wat they are saying so dont bother putting up comments like that if u dont

       know wat ur talking about.

   From:   Cow Paddies - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       i thought that this post that you have created, is a complete joke, and that it is so off-

       topic, the forum isnt about the government and what not, its about the watershed. Itd be

       nice to see that you guys would try a little harder

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I find this statement interesting for a couple reasons first thing money is an issue, but we

       have been in war over oil for so long then why is so much oil being wasted in our

       watersheds. And one good thing about volunteers is they don't rely on a paycheck! Also if

       money is such an issue use those littering laws put those fines to good use, have them pay

       for littering .


    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       You have some good points about the money issue and needing to clean up the bay. Lets

       face it, the U.S is in major debt. So its hard to get the Go Green modo going for real,

       easier said than done.

 

        Response of:  The Feds - Other - EHHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/8/2010

              Well first of all, we are treating it as a big issue. We care about our environment.

              Money is important but we're not focused on that. The Chesapeake Bay is a large

              body of water & really shouldn't be polluted with crap! So my point is pretty clear.

 

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Okay first it’s never good to start off using the war and recession as an excuse, but you

       have a good point though. Second even if it’s not top priority you should still treat it as a big

       issue. It seems like you guys are focused more on money then the environment.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Do you have any REAL questions that make sence. You need to ask questions that actually

       concern the Cheapeake Bay!!!

 

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       The idea of advertising is an intriguing one at that, however, as you mentioned,

       advertising is a very costly process, even for the federal government. How many

       volunteers do you believe you will pull in using only advertising? Advertising is often a

       very inefficient process, especially when it comes to changing people’s lives; your not

       selling sugar-filled cereal here, you’re asking Americans to give up their most precious

       currency— time. Perhaps advertising is not the most effective way of communicating the

        dire need to clean up the Bay. I believe that stricter laws in regard to pollution would be

        the best route to take.

 

 

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SKL Environmentalists                                                                     James Wood HS - Fordyce

Environmentalists                                                                                                     3/29/2010

I am important to the watershed because, the bay has a lot of habitat and it is important

that we keep it clean. Ways  to keep the Chesapeake bay clean is to clean up around the

area, plant plants and trees around their and restrict all the boating and gas fumes, also oil

 that gets burned up in the water.  The problems it causes are it harms all if the animals

and kills them it also in dangers animals and could make them extinct. It harms everyone

around the bay.  If I had a clean environment than it would make a healthier living for

everyone.  I would pay more taxes so the government would be able to pay more to clean

up our environment and make it a healthier living, such as planting new things or doing things

 such as windmills.

 

There are many ways to help clean up the Chesapeake Bay. One of the ways would be to

plant plants around the bay to clean things up and it would help make the air cleaner. 

Another way would be to restrict so much boating so not as much oil and gas will be put

into the water. The money the government gets when people recycle could all go towards

new plants and water tests so if more people recycle then the more money would go

towards helping the environment. Another way to protect the Chesapeake would be to have

people clean up around it so it all doesn't get dumped into the water.  One of the solutions

that would work the best would be to charge more taxes so you can have more money to

do things such as planting plants, or building windmills to put up. Making the air quality

bigger and making places so people can put their trash somewhere instead of in the bay.

 

 

 

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    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       I like the way you use natural ways to clean the bay. I like the gist of what you’re saying but

       it’s not going in a convincing direction. Don’t get me wrong though you have a very good plan

        there and I’d stick to it.

 

        Response        SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              Thank you for your comment and that is the whole point that we are teying to

              show is that we are trying to help out the little guys like you out cause you caqnt

              help yourself(=

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       i think you made a good point in about if you had to pay more to the gorvenment in order

       to help clean out the bay. As a critter living in this bay i think everyone should pay at

       least a little more because it would be helping us out alot to have a clean place to live.Its

        not their environment they have to worry about its mine.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Using the money the government “gets” when people recycle to cleanup the Bay will

       further contribute to our national deficit. The majority of the money, if not all of it, the

       government receives when its citizens recycle is used to pay for the extensive recycling

       process. If the government stopped receiving this money, recycling would become an

       expensive national detriment, and recycling could halt all together.

 

 

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"A"  environmentalists group                                                          James Wood HS - Fordyce

environmentalist                                                                                                       3/29/2010

I am an environmentalist.  I am very important to the Chesapeake Bay Watershed.  I make sure that people keep the parks clean, recycle and put litter in bins, so the litter doesn't go

 into the roads, stream, and creeks.

I have worked hard to grow buffers along the shore with farmers.  The new factories have

 developed environmental safe filtration systems so the drains flow into the bay with clean

water.  This will help eliminate point source pollution.

I need water everyday and the bay is the main source of water, for my trees and grass.  I

love the so much.

When the bay is not clean I have no other place to enjoy the trees and grass as well as the

 parks that I support.

I have enjoyed all the committee's that I work on and for that have helped keep the bay

clean.

 

 

 

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Cat Fish Retention                                                                                             Musselman HS

trying to clean the water retention pond                                                                   4/13/2010

OTHER

 

As a group, we have deduced that adding cat fish to the retention pond is good for the

health of the pond. You ask why is the health of the pond is important? We say it because it

 holds retention water which will eventually soak back into the ground. The fish that will be

put in this water will take the gas from the water before it soaks into the ground.

Yesterday, a friend and I went to visit the retention pond to determine what needs to be

done in it. Down there we found a deer skeleton and a dead frog. There were also some

canine footprints down there. Now it is up to us to deduce how the deer got in there and

better yet what predator got in there and killed it. We know it couldn't have just wandered

 in there because the area is completely fenced in.

 

We have also decided that cat fish are the best because they have a higher tolerance for

toxins in the water. They also skim the bottom of the pond keeping it clean as they munch

away on microorganisms to keep the pond clean. We also think that we should place small

discreet animals inside of the fence too. They will drink the water and eat the grass. It will

help the ecosystem thrive in this closed off center. You ask why this is important. Well, we

have an answer for you. It's important because we don't want toxins in our run off water

form the retention pond. If there are toxins in the water than it will eventually get into the

drinking water. Who wants that? Not any of us I'm sure. Please listen to the call of the

wild and help us keep our water clean.

 

 

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Green Roof Installer                                                                                          Musselman HS

green roofs                                                                                                              4/13/2010

Green roof

My stakeholder position is a green roof installer. It is important to our environment and

something that we need. The green roof helps with a lot of things such as filtering out the

nutrient runoff in the air and using the green roof to also insulate the school and make it

warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer. Green roofs are very important to society

also because it takes in all the bad pollutants so we don't have to breathe them in.

The more beneficial the project, the more attention one needs to pay to it. With the green

roof, the school can cut back on using so much heat in the winter and air conditioning in the

summer, which will save a lot of money. This extra money can be used to go towards the

green roof. It is better to use this money to go towards the green roof because it benefits

 more. It costs a lot of money somewhat to start and finish the green roof but it saves

money in the end.

It costs money to prepare the roof for the soil and flowers and all the weight so this costs

 money too but think of how all the flowers and stuff will help insulate and protect. My

belief is that this roof will help.

 

 

 

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                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I agree completely. The green roof will also help with energy costs; seeing as more of the

       roof is covered by plants who use sunlight, the building below will not be as warm, thus

       saving air conditioning bills.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       My question is where would you install it and how can people get involved into helping our

       school?

 

 

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The Applemen                                                                                                    Musselman HS

Our High School                                                                                                       4/13/2010

Our stakeholder goal is to reduce the water pollution around the school and to reduce our  

school's water usage. 

 

In order to purify the water around our school, we have outlined several steps to do this:

 

1) Plant trees to absorb the run-off water around the school.  This will reduce sediment

that accumulates in the water.

2) Plant grass/bush buffers around the drainage areas and ponds around the school.  This

will prevent pollution in the water.

3) Organaize trash clean-up days each month.  Less chemicals will be deposited onto the

ground and be absorbed by soil and water.

4) Encourage the use of greener cleaning supplies within the school and organize safe

disposal of dangerous chemicals within labs, etc.

5) Eliminate dangerous fertilizers on the school grounds and gardens to clean the ground

water.

6) Plant grass on bare areas of ground to reduce sediment runoff.

 

The following steps are to conserve water and reduce water usage:

 

1) Encourage less usage while washing dishes, cleaning up after labs, and washing hands

within bathrooms.

2) Use rain barrels outside to use the water that they accumulate to water the plants and

gardens surrounding the school.

3) Petition to have automatic hand dryers.  This will cut down on paper towels to conserve

trees, which are valuable in keeping streams and waterways clean.

 

***So far...

Our school has planted many trees, insituted a green roof, and established a Watershed

Environmental Team.

Several coaches have asked for us to plant trees around the baseball fields, and this will

be approximately 50 trees!

 

 

 

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                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       #1-People can organize differnet activities in thier own communities such as making a clean

       your yard day. They can go around and clean up thier yards and not use harsh chemical

       fertiliers. Raising awarness about it in your nieghborhood will help reduce the

       comtamination of the water and fish.

       #2- I think that all of these ideas are great. The school should take some of these affordable

       ideas and make them real. They will help make the enviorment better.

    From:   Healthcare Hero - local_gov - HHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I think that all these ideas are great, and the school should take the affordable ideas into

       consideration.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       #1 - These are great ideas. Another idea are the rain barrels that collect water runoff.The

       National Art Honor Society is painting rain barrels.The first one went for education.By

       painting them it will promote them and will make people more likely to buy them. Do you

       have any other ideas?

       #2 - I can see how well thought this out. It sounds like a great idea! How will all this be paid

       for? Will it be mostly volunteers helping? - Wes

 

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Biology Honors Students                                                                                    Musselman HS

Biology Honors Students                                                                                          4/13/2010

As Biology honors students at Musselman High school, we are very concerned about our  

environment.  Throughout this year, we have learned about watersheds and how they

impact the environment.  We are interested in developing ways to protect our local

watersheds.  We have planted twenty to twenty-five native trees such as river birch and

maple in our watershed, Conococheague-Opequon (USGS cataloging number 02070004),

along Mill Creek in areas that have been affected by erosion.  (at the exact location of

39.335393' and -78.05225') We collaborated with our school's partners at AGW, Herb

Peddicord, Alona Hostman, and Garry Berti.  As a class, we have also participated in a

study at The Mountain Institute (TMI) and have collected data from a head water stream

near Spruce Knob as well as our own Mill Creek.  We have been comparing the data and

accessing not only the health of Mill Creek, but factors of its health.  We have discovered

that the quality of a stream decreases as it travels from head waters through human-

populated areas.

 

 

 

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The Green Squad                                                                                               Musselman HS

Forest Ranger                                                                                                          4/13/2010

Our stakeholder position is that of a forest ranger.  We represent the forests and wildlife  

in West Virginia.  West Virginia flora and fauna are affected by many pressing matters: 

stream and river pollution, deforestation and the destruction of natural habitats,

human industrial development, industrial pollution, strip mining, leeching, and the depletion

of natural resources to name a few.  As forest rangers we are responsible for upkeeping

the natural habitats of West Virginia.  It is imperative that we keep our environment clean

because it not only affects the wildlife but ourselves as well.  Some possible solutions

would be planting trees or strong-rooted shrubs along local creeks, rallying volunteers to

collect trash, and talking to farmers and developers about doing their jobs in such a way

that the environment is kept safe.

 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       #1 - How are we going to fix the problem !? im not really understanding  ?

       #2 - i agrre with your position on the water shed in that it effects us all.  i also agree that

       mesures should be taken to plan for not only clean up and preservation but also the future

       planing for the water sed. i personaly think that our planing comitsion has failed to acount

       for growth the of people and the preservation of the watershed

 

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Band Director of Musselman High School                                                         Musselman HS

                                                                                                                           4/15/2010

My stakeholder position is Band Director for Musselman High School. Here at Musselman

High School we have an outstanding band program. In our band proram we are always

concerned about saving cost and making eco-friendly choices. We have various activies that

 help to reduce our economic footprint. One of those acivites is the constant war with our

pratice field. Every year we plant grass in hopes that it will loosen the soil and try to

reduce the dust bowl happening in the middle of the field. Even though we plant grass at

the beginning of every year the majority of the field is a dust bowl by the middle of our

first band camp. The field, by the end of band camp, is completely hard as asphalt again.

Soon to come our school is getting new additions to the building. When these new additions

come they  will build a new band room over our pratice field. Our concern is that we will

need another patice field, but sny field we pratice on becomes an impervious surface from

the constant marching it recieves. Do you have any suggestions as to what we could do? 

 

 

 

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    From:   The Green Squad - Other - MslmnHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Okay, to help with your problem I have a question. How is building a band room on the

       practice field saving the grass?

    From:   The Green Squad - Other - MslmnHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Two in our group are also marching band members of Musselman High school and agree

       whole-heartedly with the problem involving lack of vegetation in the middle of our field. 

       I've seen the band try many different solutions to this problem including re-seeding,

       watering, etc.  The only other thing I can think of is if we actually by pre-grown grass

       carpetting.  The only problem with that idea is the cost.  I guess it's inevitable.  We have

       an amazing Atlantic Coast Championship band...whose field will always be a dust bowl...

 

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