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Stream Cleaner Environmental Forum 2010

 

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    From:   The Daniel Family Fishermen - Waterman - MslmnHS                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We, as fishermen have many concerns. One concern may be the weather conditions.

       There’s also the time of day which has an effect on the fish that come out during that

       period of time. The clearness of the water and quality of the water have an effect on

       whether you can see the fish or not. The quality will also have an effect on how many fish

       will be in the area since they might not have the oxygen to breathe. The algae count will

       have an effect on the fish’s food, which will in return have an effect on the fish. The

       temperature of the water can also affect the fish and when they expose themselves.

 

Watermen

 

Chesapeake Bay Watermen                                                                   Hampshire High School

                                                                                                                               3/24/2010

From the view of the watermen, we believe that something has to be done about the

pollution and damage in/to the Chesapeake Bay and it's watershed. The fish population is

declining and will continue to if things are not changed. Its not only the fish, other aquatic

species are being affected.

About 17 million people live in the watershed, and 10 million live along it's shore. All of these

 people are having some effect on the bay, whether they are doing consciously or not. 

Everyone is to blame.

The bay has 3,600 plant and animal species. There are over 300 fish species and 2,700

plant species. Mor than 500 million pounds of seafood is being harvested every year from

the bay. This number is going to go down until there are no fish left.

As americans, we think that everyone needs to clean up. Everyone can recycle. Maybe the

government should provide everyone with a recycling bin. People can stop littering, and start

 using better ways to get rid of their trash and applying their pesticides. This is a group

effort, no matter who you are or where you are from, we all need to step up and make an

effort.

Reference- www.cbf.org/Page.aspx?pid=433

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Yes, I agree that the water quality in the Chesapeake Bay has and is declining. This has

       damaged the fish population. People have no motivation to recycle, or to even be

       responsible in disposing their wastes. Educating the public on this issue is key. 

    From:   The Green Squad - Other - MslmnHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We solemnly agree that this is very much a problem.  Sadly, there's not much we can do. 

       You can only recycle and clean so much.  As long as humans are part of the watershed,

       there will always be a pollution problem.  However, we do need to take more initiative in

       maintaining and taking care of our environment.  Maybe we can't rid our world of

       pollution completely, but we could definitely do more to help the situation.  Your idea about

        the recycling is great, but perhaps it would be a much moe productive effort if we all

       learned to conserve more in the first place.  We could also stock with more fish to try and

       balance the watershed's ecosystem.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We looked over your POV and both think it is very factual and has a lot of good

       information and views about how people should all pitch in to help. But we would like to

       know what you plan to do to help the Chesapeake Bay Watershed?

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       We agree that something has to be done about the pollution in the chesapeake bay. We

       believe it is quite outrageous that all this over harvesting has been left to go on for so long

        without any proper regulations. We are ecstatic to see the blue Crab population almost

       double in the past two years thanks to some kind of harvesting regulation. All it takes is a

       little rules and we can greatly increase the health of the chesapeake bay watershed.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       Interesting facts and good points, especially about the many types of pollution in the

       water. i did a powerpoint on how the chemicals in pesticides and lotions gave smallbass

       fish in the potomac river both male and female body parts (they became intersex fish).

    From:   Wacka Flocka Developers - developer - GCHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

       I thought that your information was very factual. Recently, my class has been on a field

       trip to Rock Creek Park where we learned about the affects we all have on the watershed,

       and a lot can be done simply by everyone doing their part. For example, our school has

       recently implemented a school recycling system that many students are able to participate

       in due to its easy accessibility. As for what everyone else was saying, I do think that you

       listed some important stats, such as the number of people who live in the watershed, the

       different types of plant and animal species in the watershed, but you didn't really state

       any logical plans for what you can do as watermen to protect the watershed. Although it is

       a good idea for everyone to recycle and help out, I still don't see how watermen will

       particularly change the current situation in our watershed.

    From:   The Drain Pipes! - CB_Ecosystem - EHHS                                               Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       We agree with everything that you have said, but how do you all, as watermen plan to help

       with the bay?

    From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       You make a very good point about everyone having an impact on the watershed, even if

       they do not realize it.

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       well a lot of things to do.. help recycle. and be careful with your pesdices and other stuff

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       You're POV was very factual, and it is true that we are all to blame. Everyone should be

      more conscious about the way we do everyday things. I checked out you're reference, which

     is something most people don't post. You guys definitely know what's up =D

 

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       i strongly agree with your statement. more people need to recycle, it would help out the

       problem alot. if the government would give everybody a recycle bin more people might

       recycle.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       If it is unrealistic to get everyone to recycle, what other ways could the people willing to

       help be able to help more? In other words, what other ways could people help other than

       recycling and applying their pesticides differently?

        Response of:  Chesapeake Bay Watermen - Waterman - HHS

                             To:  Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              Recycling isn't hard.  People that think it is too much effort are just lazy, and it

              really doesn't take a lot of time or effort.  Maybe people can do community recyling

              days.  Let people see how many people actually do it.  That might encourage them.  Or

              it can be broadcasted.  Show people the effects of recycling and how it can help

              through tv, newspapers, and magazines.  However, we can't expect everyone to

              actually do it.  It's just a nice idea that everyone will want to help.  But it's

              unrealistic.

        Response of:  Chesapeake Bay Watermen - Waterman - HHS

                             To:  James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              You can step up and do whatever you think will help.  Be creative.  Or go for more

              original things like recycling and being careful with your pesticides.  You can plant

              trees and other plants along banks of rivers, creeks, etc. to help prevent soil erosion.

               Go on bay clean ups and help clean up the shores and waters.  Don't dump your

              harmful substances like oil into streams or anywhere because it will most likely end

              up in the bay or some other watershed.  Do anything that you can think of.

        Response of:  Chesapeake Bay Watermen - Waterman - HHS

                             To:  Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/7/2010

              Fishermen have been known to throw other things into the water other than trash. 

              They throw their old hooks and lines and other stuff that can harm the fish.  We can

              stop throwing these things in there.  Oil and other harmful substances that come off

              of our boats also pollute the water.  We can try and clean up our boats so that this

              doesn't happen.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       In your POV you state that everyone needs to recycle.  But the bay’s pollution is more then

       just trash, its sediment run-off, toxins, and animal waste. How can you as fishermen

       contribute to reducing the amount of pollution in the bay other then recycling and disposing

       of your trash correctly?

 

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       We believe what you said in your POV was very true. Your right if everyone was to get a

       recycle bin from the govenment then the enviornment would be in much better shape

       then what it is now. You guys have many interesting facts and are well experesive its

       good to see people who care as much as we do (=

    From:   Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)                                               Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       I like how instead of just focusing on fish you also said other aquatic species. I agree

       with how you said that not only people that live on the shore line affect the watershed

       but everyone. I also liked how you put specific examples on way anyone can help.

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       i like your point of views how everybody should take a part in cleaning the bay. this is my

       enviornment that i live in and i need to to be cleaned out in order to survive. When people

        dont help clean it out its only causing more problems for us and everyone else by having

       more to clean up.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I completely agree with you guys. We all contribute to the bays pollution and we all need

        to step up and do something about it. We need to take action instead of just talking

       about what we can do to help.

 

    From:   The Purple Fly pigs - Waterman - EHHS                                                Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Okay so if you could help change something to do with the pollution and the population of

        fish and all that what would you do?

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       We as the government are trying very hard to think of ways to prevent pollution and

       things in the bay. This also takes alot of time and money that we don't really have.

       We're trying to figure out cheap and easy ways to fix the problem.

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I am a farmer and like how they will recycle and not pollute the rivers that lead to the

       bay.

    From:   Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Please give a better example on how to stop polluting the enviroment, besides the

       government giving everyone recycling bins. Thank you.   Have a nice day!!

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       As a tree hugger I do agree that something should be done about the damage and

       pollution to the bay. I also agree that if the government would supply recycling bins to

       everyone it would help stop some of the pollution.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       In your statement, you listed facts. You havent suggested any ideas or meathods of

       taking action, and trying to make a difference. The information was interesting, but you

       need some ideas to go with it, to support what youre introducing. Recycling is a good

       thing to do, but its not nearly enough to make a difference. You said we all need to step

       up and make an effort. What exactly are we suppose to step up and do?

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       me and my species agree with what your stating to everyone. that everything has to be a

       group effort. all the contaminants that are bing let flow to our homes will just kill us all.

       and if we critters die it will just effect the food chain then we all will have problems for

        sure.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I agree that everyone needs to step up and do their part to help save the Chesapeake's

       ecosystem.  However, environmental groups have tried providing recycling bins to

       homeowners and some just have not stepped up and actually used the bins.  Many people

       live on-the-go and do not have the time to separate their garbage.  What are some

       incentives you could present to encourage the average person to recycle and not litter?

 

 

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Big Dogs/Cats - AND YA KNOW DAT!                                                        Harrisonburg HS

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

POV

 

As Waterman, we feel that maintaining the health of the Chesapeake Bay is essential to our

 industry. The oysters, crabs, and fish that we harvest rely on healthy waters to flourish in

 their habitat. With this being said, we see a plethora of problems arising in the Bay.  The

pollution rates are rising at astronomical levels, along with being over fished by commercial

giants.  There are several steps that are necessary to preserve and protect the Bay’s

physical well being.

  One crucial precaution that humans could take to protect and preserve the natural

ecosystem of the Bay is reducing the nitrogen runoff that comes from the entire

Chesapeake watershed.  The watershed spans from Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland,

Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey.  When examining the sources of

nitrogen runoff in the watershed, the majority of the nitrogen comes from the Maryland,

Delaware, and New Jersey areas.  When an excessive amount of nitrogen is introduced into

 the Bay, it causes algae and sea grass to grow rapidly.  The sea grass and algae blocks out

 the sun�s UV rays and limits the growth of organisms below.  These organisms depend on

the sun and thin out as they cannot get enough sunlight to live.  We depend on the life that

gets depleted by the limited sunlight and this limits our economic growth. 

  Over fishing the bay is a huge problem that affects not only the ecosystem of the bay,

but us as people as well. As the bay is being over fished, the fish population suffers

creating low bio diversity. This is bad because the bay serves as a nursery for young fish

that will serve as a big part of the oceanic ecosystem.

  In order to prevent the pollution of the bay and conserve it’s health for the future,

people are going to have to be proactive in their actions. Environmentalists need to spread

the word about the importance of the Bay’s health. In order to pass laws that will benefit

the Bay communities need to elect city officials that are for preserving the water’s of the

Chesapeake Bay.

  We think that we need a community that is aware of the problems at hand. If everyone is

on the same page at all times, we can all work together to achieve an environmental utopia.

To make this statement a reality, we need to do a better job educating the people as a

whole about the bays problems, and how our everyday living affects the bay.

  We think that voluntary environmental work works to a certain degree. There is only so

much that a person can do to help the environment. One thing that we could do to help this

would be to make mandatory clean-up activities to help the bay.

  We think we that people should stop being so greedy, and give their money to the

environment. If people would stop buying iPhones, and start buying trees to plant, the world

 would be a better place. There should be a certain tax burden placed on individuals that

would go to saving the earth. The tax should be placed on individuals that are known to

pollute our environment.

  Yes, we believe that we can get major point source polluters to help pay for cleaning up

non point pollution.

  There are many issues in the Bay that if not fixed, will create problems for years to come. We need to control the aspects of Nitrogen runoff and over fishing, and if we do that, I think us, as Waterman, will be just fine.

 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I think that you have every right and duty to think you should be inn charge of the

       chesapeake. I think that its great to see that someone is actually caring for the ocean life

       and that someone is wanting to help the environment!

The MODERATOR notes with pleasure that Big Dogs/Cats demonstrated an easy (and possibly gratuitous) facility with the English language in their response to Mammalpalooza!   Bravo. 

        Response of:  Big Dogs/Cats - AND YA KNOW DAT! - Waterman - HburgHS

                             To:  Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/19/2010

              I was reading through your comments and many of them were well thought out and

              well written. One specific comment I would like to respond to is mammalpalooza's

              comment. I believe that your statement about the middle class not giving up their

              expensive wasteful possessions is fatuous. Here we are in a generation that needs to

              open their eyes and realize that we cannot continue as we have in the past, and

              licentious people like you are the ones slowing us down. Your verbose nature has

              become quite extraneous to the fact that working together means getting rid of our

              iphone, and investing in things that will make future generations more aware of our

              current predicament.

    From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       The community needs to be aware of what is going on. Since we are farmers we would like

       to stop crop runoff with buffer zones. Good POV.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I like how you see that the whole point of view on everything.  I like how you want to put a

        restriction on fishing and also to address the whole problem. I like how you address that

       the whole community as a whole needs to get together to fix the problems. To be able to do

       this you know your aware of how long and how much money it will take to fix these

       problems.

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       well i can see what your talking about about cleaning up the bay and stuff but people need

      to learn how not to thow there trash in the bay.. it is getting it really dirty and it is ruining it

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I think adding algae eaters to the water would increase the growth of the plants covered in

       all that algae

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       This POV is very factual and informational.  You made exceptional points about problems,

       and countered them with solutions.  I like how you said that people could be spending money

       on the environment and not so much on insignificant objects.  Even though I have an i-phone,

        I can see why the environment may be more important.  How would a mandatory clean-up be

       enforced, or how would you get everyone to think on the same level?

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       i think its a good point you put in here people should stop spending money on such high

       things for themselves and help the bay system and other things out. It would be a better

        thing if people would help clean out the bay it would be less that they have to worry

       about and we would be able to have a clean environment to live in.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I agree with you guys. You made some good points. We do over fish and need to start

       caring about where we throw our waste. But our government would not agree to start

       extra taxing individuals.

 

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       This statement is well written and gives good factual information. It explains the source

       of the problems and thoughtful solutions for it. A flaw is the iPhone comment, do you

       suppose I or the majority of the people(the middle class) should invest my money to the

       environment and buy a trackphone or something? I dont think so. Your comment on

       advising is the public about the bay problems is indeed a bright idea, advising the rich

       could persaude them to help out. Last, you can't increase someones taxes because

       they're polluting the environment. They could be fined but only if it's point source

       pollution.

    From:   Chesapeake Bay Watermen - Waterman - HHS                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

        i see why you said people need to clean up but people still just throw trash in the water

       and they dont care about the bay. and thats a good point you made about wherever or

       who the person is they need to help beacause everyone needs to help out with it. with the

        bay not being clean it makes more problems for everyone else.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       i agree with your statments about mantaion the water because becaue people need to

       knoew how long and how much work goes into water clean up.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       i agree with you guys. you have a strong point that enviromentlist need to spreed the

       word. but i believe that everyone should do there part. we all make the mess so were all

       responble to clean it up. a comorshile would be a good idea to spread how important it is

       to keep yhe water clean, because it takes so long and so much money to clean up.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       As a farmer, I greatly care about the land and the Chesapeake Bay. I would be more

       than happy to volunteer my extra time to assist in cleaning up the bay; however, I would

       not be able to pay additional taxes. The idea of taxing only certain individuals that are

       known to pollute our environment would be amazing, but I highly doubt our government

       would approve of only taxing selected people. Also, with the concept of excess nitrogen

       runoff, we, as farmers, have come up with a solution to decrease the amount of

       nitrogen.  If you check out our point of view statement, you can see our plans to reduce

       nitrogen and hopefully it will help you as watermen to be able to catch healthier fish.

 

 

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Watermen

 

The O'Ryan Fisherman                                                                   James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

As fishermen we catch and sell the fish we catch out of the Chesapeake Bay. We are

affected by the pollution in the bay but we contribute to it as well. The pollution in the bay

is causing a rapid decline in the fish and making it only seasonal to fish. Since our profit

comes from the amount of fish we are able to catch and sell the pollution is negatively

affecting our income. More importantly, the pollution is harming our environment. The rapid

decline in the amount of fish in the bay and the regulations being applied to when we can

fish is throwing off the production of seafood products available to the market.

  We propose a cleaning system that will help stabilize the environment and produce more

fish in the bay. We have come up with a few simple solutions to lower our contribution to

the pollution to the Chesapeake Bay. One solution we propose is the introduction of a hybrid

 boat. This will lower liquids leaking from the engine like gas, oil, and other toxins because it

 will run mainly off electricity. Also we propose that all ports and harbors establish an area

 where fisherman can dump their waste. This will lower the amount of waste being dumped

into the harbor.

  One of the biggest problems contributing to pollution in the bay is sediment runoff. An

excessive amount of sediment is harmful to the bay and the life in it. To help control this

problem we propose buffers be planted on stream banks. Trapping dams can be set up in

rivers to trap sediment as well. Dams will eventually reach their capacity so other tools also

 need to be applied. Strip crops and cover crops can be applied to assist in the reduction.

All of these solutions applied together will greatly decrease the amount of sediment in the

bay.

  All of the solutions we have proposed are designed to clean the bay. They are ecosystem

friendly they will help improve all living organisms throughout the Chesapeake Bay area.

Cleaning the bay will result in larger quantities of healthier fish. This result will benefit

fisherman like us greatly. We will be able to supply the seafood market with more fish of

better quality.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       The cleaning system sounds like a great idea, but the building of the system could also

       pollute before the installation. The traffic of the vehicles that are transporting the

       equipment would be taking land away from other wildlife. The electricity is a great energy

        form to use for the system. I personally think that the ideas you have proposed could work

        out greatly , but how expensive would this all cost?

    From:   Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       In your POV. It discusses about how to stop the polution in the Chesapeke Bay.  It also

       talks about, that we need to make a hybrid boat, that will run on electricity. I just have one

       problem about that boat.  As a fisherman. I go out on the Chesapeke Bay and fish on a boat.

        Say I run out of electricity and how am i suppose to charge my boat so I can get back to

       shore.  Also the nurtrient in the bay.  As more and more nurtrients get in the bay from

       farms and from runoff.  The more the nurtrient the more the algea grow and when the

       algea die the algea take up all the oxygen.  no oxygen, no more fish.  This is called a dead

       zone.  Other than dumping waste in the Bay. What are other way people pollute the Bay?

       Other than the hybrid boat idea. I like you POV.  Even though that it will take a lot of

       money to clean up the bay. I hope I will be able to go back fishing at the Bay so I can

       catch thoughs big Blues.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I understand that it is a food source for many people. But with out putting any restrictions

        on the fish we will run out of fish. Without the bay getting clean you cant eat the fish so

       it would be pointless. I really think that the hybrid boats would work out very well. So you

       are on the right steps to making a recovery.

    From:   SKL Environmentalists - Other - JWHS(F)                                             Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       well i agree with you all.. we need to get everyone to helpand keep everything going good. we

        have a lot of problems that need to be fixed

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I agree with this statement. People need to take a moment and reolize the damages that were

       doing to the watershed. If we were to take the ideas you had in hand we may have a lot less

       pollution. You statement should be along the top of the lists t help our watershed.
    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       You're ideas are great, and they help more than just you. I think its pretty cool that you

       focused on helping others, as well as your group. What would some of your other ideas for

       the "few simple solutions to lower your contributions to the pollution" be?

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       I do agree that there are problems with large nutrient run off and there are some cheaper

       ways to help nutrient run-off like buffers but we fail to see where you also take blame for

       the problem, not to offend fishermen but without our fertilizers you would not have the

       amout of surplus food we produce and also many fishermen would have low amounts of

       oysters, fish, etc. so we propose that we could put sediment and nutrient filters, if we could

       get you and other fishermen to help with pollution at the Bay. If we could accomplish that the

        Bay would improve ten-fold.

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       I do agree that ther are problems with large with nutrient run off and there are some

       cheaper ways to help nutrient run-off like buffers but we fail to see where you also take

       blame for the problem, not to offend fishermen but without our fertilizers you would not

       have the amout of surplus food we produce and also many fishermen would have low amounts

       of oysters, fish, etc. so we propose that we could put sediment and nutrient filters, if we

       could get you and other fishermen to help with pollution at the Bay. If we could accomplish

       that the Bay would improve ten-fold.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Your POV states the problem and solutions of the Chesapeake Bay expertly.  But did you

       think if any of the solutions would affect you negatively? I believe all of  the solutions will

       work, but they may be really expensive. Like having electric boats would raise electricity

       bills and the boats themselves would be more expensive to fix or replace.

 

        Response        The O'Ryan Fisherman - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              Thank you for appreciating our ideas. To cover the cost of our ideas we could ask

               the local government for financial help. Also, we could start fundraisers to raise

              awareness and money. 

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       you showed alot of ways that the bay can be cleaned out And they were good points and

        i do agree that if the bay wasnt cleaned out then alot of the thing that live in there

       wouldnt be able to survive. eveything in the water need to be able to swim and have clean

        water.

    From:   JW Critters United - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                    Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       we the critters dont agree with you cathing and selling us!! but we do agree that

       fishermen do contribute to the pollution. if you fishermen could find another way to not

       pollute the water.  I like the idea of eco friendly boats and cleaning up your nets. it

       would help us out alot also take a year or two off so are population could increase.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       The solutions you have presented would greatly help the clean-up of the bay. A trapping

       dam is a very unique and effective idea; perhaps the dam could have a filtering system

       installed to purify the incoming water.  The only question I have is how would our

       watershed pay for these solutions? As farmers and fishermen, we do not have high nor

       steady incomes so paying for these solutions is a hefty issue.

 

 

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Watermen

 

The Seamen                                                                                                            Calvert HS

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

 

  We, the oystermen of the Chesapeake Bay, provide the oysters for the people of America.

  This is important because without our services, oysters would not be distributed to the

citizens of America.  The bay’s problems affect us because the contamination of the

water limits our catch and results in low profits.  We, the oystermen of the Chesapeake

Bay, support the bay restoration process because it will allow more oysters to thrive which

would benefit our profits in the long run.  Possible solutions to these problems would harm

our industry.  Some say that in order to clean up the bay; we need to stop harvesting all

the oysters because they act as a natural filter for the water.  This would clear up the

water quality but cause us to lose our jobs.  An easier and more effective solution would be

 to limit run off from nearby streams. When a farmer puts nutrients on his or her crops to

 help them grow, some of them move into waterways by rain carrying them down or by

falling down hills by erosion. They eventually fall into the water and poison it. This could be

accomplished by putting restrictions on the types of fertilizers used by farmers in the

area.  These misguided farmers are putting too many nutrients in the water,(Nitrogen and

Phosphorous) creating low oxygen levels by blocking sunlight and bacteria using oxygen in

the water to decompose the phytoplankton that require these nutrients. Other ways that

we could limit contamination in the bay is by eliminating all forms of dumping waste

materials into the bay and put limits on carbon dioxide and other hazardous emissions on

factories and companies that use or are near the bay.  These solutions would be most

beneficial to us because it would clean up the bay and allow us, the oystermen of the

Chesapeake Bay, to keep our jobs and continue providing oysters to the citizens of America.

 

 

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        Response        The Seamen - Waterman - CHS

                             To:  All commenters

                                                                                                                        4/26/2010

              All of you bring up good points.  We do agree that there are other sources of

              pollution but runoff from farming contributes the most to water pollution,

              especially talking about the Chesapeake Bay.  Some other pollutions that are still

              important and need to be looked at are disposal of trash on local vessels.  If you

              have any other forms of pollution that you would like us to discuss please feel

              free to write.

             

              Another point that you brought up was cycling the harvest of oysters.  This is a

              good idea, but may be hard to enforce since the bay is so large and there are

              only a limited number of coast gaurds to enforce this idea.

             

              If you have any more comments or suggestions please feel free to leave them

              and we will get back to you as soon as possible.

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       #1 - Yes it is true that poor water quality is an issue. Runoff from streams and rivers is a big

       cause of this, but so is the over harvesting the oysters. I think the best solution to this

       problem would be two part. First of all, try to limit runoff into the bay by placing

       guidelines and regulations on the people upstream. Second of all, you could place the areas

        you harvest on a yearly rotation. Specify certain areas for purely the reproduction of

       oysters and others for harvesting them.

       #2 - We agree profusely. A lot of the solutions you are providing could happen. Maybe you

       should propose separate bredding areas for a certain amount of oysters? Or maybe even

       move to a different area that is cleaner for the time being? I apologize, though; I don't

       know much about oyster fishing.

 

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       If we restrict the fertilizers we use, then your food supply could drop and the prices

       would raise for food from the watershed so instead of restricting the fertilizers restrict

       the amount to a lower amount.

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       i like the point were when the farmers are working and their crops fall and stuff. they are

       hurting eviornments badly becuase they are polluting the water having stuff being dropped

       into the water. i think they should have more people help clean out the bays.it wpuld heps our

       the bays

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I highly agree on your statement. I believe that more oysters may help, but the more

       fishermen wouldcome in to wipe them out. If this is so then the fishermen would just keep

       coming until the oysters are gone. Also the oysters would wash away eventually and cause

       mass birds and other animals to come to kill them, the animals can also contminate the water

       by there digestive parts.

   From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       You state that farmers are the cause of the pollution that is affecting the oysters you catch

       and sell.  I know that is one of the reasons, but there are other reasons you didn’t consider in

        your POV.  Could you approach those other pollution sources and propose a solution? Or are

       farmers the only approach you think will work?

 

    From:   Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)                                               Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       I like your solutions because they are too complicated. Instead of just using farmers as

       a former example that cause negative to the watershed you should provide more

       examples. I like how you talked about the future and what will happen later on if we do

       these things.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think we are more worried about the fish from the bay rather than just oysters.

       Instead of just providing oysters we need fish too.

 

   From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I would like to say you may harvest oysters but when you drag the bottom for the

       oysters you destroy the bay bottom.  Would it be more benefecial for you to have an

       oyster farm than to drag the bottom of the Chesapeake Bay for oysters. 

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       I agree that reducing the amounts of oysters you can harvest is not the best solution to

       the bay's problems. As a farmer, I understand that the large amounts of nitrogen and

       phosphorus runoff is overwhelming and restricting the types of fertilizers and pesticids

       we use would help a great deal.  Limiting the amount of waste dumped into the bay and

       the amount of pollution emitted from factories would also improve the health of the

       Chesapeake Bay. Overall, these solutions would not cost much and would help the amount

        of excess nutrients decline.

 

 

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Ultimate Anglers                                                                             James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

We are the fishermen. Our particular niche in the watershed community is to catch and

provide little sea critters for local fish markets as well as grocery stores. We are

important because we help control the population of the fish in the area, as well as provide

food, as previously stated. We promote economic growth in the bay areas. Not only do we

provide jobs for those who do the fishing, we also provide jobs for people to maintain the

docks, boats, and other equipment necessary for our profession. Other jobs created by

fishermen are: jobs in restaurants, preparation, packing, and transportation of products.

  However, the bay doesn’t always assist us with our profession. Rising sediment levels have

 been causing problems by destroying fish habitats. This limits us from being able to catch

or quota. Furthermore, the increased sediment levels have been causing damage to our

boats and fishing equipment when riding along the shallower sections of the bay. Also, the

pollution in the water has caused a decline in fish population and overall health. Dead and

unhealthy fish will earn our cause little to no money, and traveling to better waters costs

money and time.

  There are a wide array of regulations that could cause problems for both ourselves and

others in our professional field. If engine updates are required to provide a more

environmentally friendly motor or engine, we will lose time and money; not only in upgrade

costs, but in the time that our boats are out of the water.

  If we as a whole were able to prevent over fishing, we would be able to prolong the life

and health of the bay’s fish population. This will allow us to catch fish for longer amounts

of time, as well as let the future generations continue to fish in the same area.

 

 

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    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/10/2010

       I like Your P.O.V, it's very specific in what you do and whats the problem in the Bay.

       One thing though, dont forget the cigerette butts in the water along with plastics.

       Good Job otherwise.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I understand it's the way of how to bring the fish to the store. But without the fish being

       safe to eat you cant sell those fish so u will be loosing money. So imprivse with helping the

        envirnomnet and the money that goes in your pokets also.

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I thnink you should include more about how you'd help to lower the sediment levels. You have

       brought it to my attention that fishermen do more than just catch fish. You have alot to do

       with the Bay's Ecosystem.

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       How do we prevent over fishing? How do we know when we are doing it? What do we need

      to do to prevent pollution and the over fishing, i find this statement to be lack of information

       to prevent what you say you want.

   From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       In your POV you stated the fact that there is too much sediment run-off in the river.  How

       do you propose that problem be fixed other then engine upgrades?  Maybe the pollution in

       the river can be fixed by correcting the amount of oil or chemicals that flow into the river

       from boats. 

 

       Response        Ultimate Anglers - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Reply to All

                                                                                                                        3/31/2010

              Sedimentation issues are caused by other groups further upstream. Our boats do

               not cause sedimentation problems. There isn't much fishermen can directly do to

               fix the sediment problems. Also, the removal of fish from the bay has no direct

              effect on the sediment.

    From:   Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)                                               Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       After reading this I realized a lot of ways that fisherman do contribute to everyday

       things. I agree with the idea about the environmental friendly engine; I never really

       thought about that. You should also think of easier ways that are less costly to you to

       contribute positively to the watershed.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       How do you insist on lowering the sediment problems? We can’t keep letting it build up.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       How do the other jobs help out with your “too much sediment problem?” due to you

       taking fish out they becomes build up in the water because there isn’t much fish to clean

       it up. Do you only take our certain kind of fish from the water areas or just anything

       you catch and you can eat is there certain kind you take out to keep the water healthier

       and ones you keep to keep well maintained?

 

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       In your statement you presented the issue of too much sediment in the bay, but the

       prevention of over fishing would not reduce the amount of sediment. Yes, upgrading your

        engines and not pushing the fishing limit would help the bay, but the amount of sediment

       would not decrease. What solution do you propose to assist in the declination of sediment

        runoff?

 

 

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The Welsh-Italian-Canadian (WIC) Fishery                                                         Calvert HS

                                                                                                                               3/25/2010

Watermen aren't the cause of excess nitrogen and phosphorus in the bay's waters. That

would be the farmers over fertilizing their crops as well as poor city planning. The storm

drainage system in cities and the sewage treatment plant systems need to be separated. In

some cities, the two systems aren't separated when they need to be. Also, more water

needs to be allowed to soak into the earth instead of being directed to the closest river.

Nutrients collect in the water in this way as it is run off to the river. Algae feeds on all

these extra nutrients and cause huge blooms in the spring and summer, causing light

depletion in the water, killing Submerged Aquatic Vegetation (SAV) that can�t get enough

light. The nutrients also cause cloudiness in the water that contributes to light depletion

and the death of SAV. Also, when the algae dies, they sink to the bottom of the bay, where

bacteria break down the algae in the process of decomposition, using much of the oxygen in

 the water. This causes oxygen depleted zones in areas of the bay. Oysters, clams, and

other aquatic animals that cannot get away from these “dead zones” die. This sometime

causes serious damage to our profits.

 My co-workers and I are all for the cleaning of the bay. If farmers were given a ration of

 fertilizer for their crops ever month, they would be less likely to over-fertilize their

crops, dumping less excess nutrients into the bay due to run-off, and therefore increasing

visibility in the waters of the bay. The SAV would be able to prosper, increasing the

dissolved oxygen in the water, and algae blooms would not be quite so large with less

excess nutrients in the water for the algae to feed on. Less dead algae means less

decomposing by bacteria on the floor of the bay and that would mean less “dead zones”

These preparations could allow more oysters to be put into the bay, and others in our

profession would be willing to follow an oyster ban, as long as we are allowed to retain

more of the fish we catch to compensate, and as long as every few years the ban is lifted,

so that a large profit can be made off a high demand for oysters. This could really help

clean up the bay.

 

 

 

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    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/10/2010

       Ok so far every fishermen group that I've looked at have missed there own problems.

       Plus yall only talked agaist the farmers like their the only ones who screwed up I mean

        every group has something to do with this Bay. look at the other comments i left for

       Kick your Bass and others in the fishermen group and see what your problem is.

    From:   Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       No water man aren't the cause of that but they are a cause of some of the pollutions. So

       instead of blaming everything else on everyone its also your fault not to make an effort.

       To save the water everyone has to contrubte to helping the problems.

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       The farmers needs these fertilizers. Without them we wouldn't be able to maintain the

       amount of crops we need for the surounding regions food supply.

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Your POV sounds very professional. I do think that you should focus more on what YOUR

       group is doing to pollute the bay, and not just what others are doing wrong.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Yes, farmers and sewage systems are great contributors to the nitrogen and phosphorus

       runoff; however, we are not the only ones. Therefore, as a farmer I know that reducing the

       amount of fertilizer we apply to our crops will help the bay, but there will have to be other

       means of reducing the excess nutrients.  Also, there must be ways for you, as watermen, to

       help the bay.

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       Your POV is written well, I only have one question. Other then just rationing the amount of

       fertilizer farmers use, how could you or others contribute to the cleaning of the Chesapeake

        Bay.

 

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       you have good points about the farmers it is true they use to many chemicals but your

       boats are a main cause of pollutants in the bay untill you have a boat that dosent have

       exhast and leak gas your going to be a main source of pollution!!!

       I feel like you’re putting the blame on other people and not focusing you going to do

       them? are on what you really need to be doing. I see that you have great ideas but how 

       are you going to do so an are you wanting peoples help are you just going to put t all on

       the farmers or what? Did you think of the expense of these ideas if so what’s the prices

        did you think of what it would cost the community to help out do you have other plans to

        improve or are you just going to keep putting the blame on others and not focusing on

       your  own problems? I think you should focus on your own problems on not on others

       wrong doings

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       What do we do about all this algae? It sounds like a big problem that needs to be fixed.

 

 

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Triple J & CB fishermen                                                                James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

Fishermen are extremely important to the Chesapeake Bay Watershed. We supply fish to   

local markets, and keep the bay from over-populating with growing numbers of fish. We

also maintain the area to see what is going on with it and inform our local government with

issues we see. There can be several problems that affect everyone with the bay, but as

fishermen, the fish are very dirty, and may have swallowed/ate toxins and/or waste that

we do not know about. Certain parts of the bay may be so polluted; that there are no fish

at all, so trying to search for fish can take a day's work and be very stressful for us. We

need to keep out the point source pollutions from entering the watershed in which we fish.

The flow of the pollutants is controlled by our local government, but we need to make sure

 it is fully taken care of. The solutions we propose will help our area and fish become

cleaner, healthier, and we are able to catch more fish so our income rises, and neighboring

markets have more fish to sell, so they are able to make more money as well.

The solutions may not cost the fishermen money, but the ones who get caught for not

following proper instructions will be forced to pay for the crime they committed. It will

cost the local volunteers their time and effort to help keep the bay clean. If everyone

helped out, everyone would be happy, and not worry about unsafe and unsanitary

conditions. The solutions we propose will direct us completely. The fishermen are the center

 of what makes the region around the bay work. The solutions help other people who go out

there for leisure activities, and the fish are much benefited from our hard work and

dedication we put into it. Other animals that are around the watershed are benefited as

well. If the solutions are not carried out, the fishermen may not disappear, but they would

have to move to cleaner parts of the Chesapeake where there are fewer toxins and waste

in or around the water. That will harm the markets with no fish, and make their profits

drop, and also the water will just become so polluted, no one will want to live around it, and

 cause it to be unhealthier for everyone, and our environment.

 

Solutions:

-once a day, each month, fishermen, local volunteers, and kids will gather and have a

meeting to discuss what they each can do to help out the rivers on which they fish on

-keep waste (human, animal) in portable toilet or holding tank, and dispose of it in proper

areas

-keep dirty fish (guts, bones, hooks, line, etc.) in bag so it does not get back into water

-prevent fuel spills on your boat, and maintain engine

-use the catch & release method

-to determine how much the water is polluted, twice a month, samples will be taken from

the river to observe how healthy the river is

-observe & follow wake laws to prevent your engine and the shore from being ruined

-dispose chemicals properly and safely

-wash your boat frequently

After the meeting, volunteers will go out around the area and shore line to pick up trash

that is lying roughly around the region to help protect and clean it.

 

Fishermen and others, who go out and boat, will sign a petition to not throw waste into the

waterway. If they get caught, they will be fined $100.

The local markets will determine the amount of fish they need each month, the fishermen are only allowed to catch that much, if they catch more, they will be over-fishing, and cause the vicinity where they fish to become deserted.

 

 

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    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       how are you going to make these solutions succeed? are you going to get the citizens to

       help the government? is it going to cost? will it harm other things?

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I am very fond of this POV. It provides specific detail to what we need to do. I like the fact

       you all put a list of the things to do to gt right to the point. Maybe if people followed the

       water procedures then our water ways woudn't be so polluted.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       As previously stated, you made very strong points in your statement. I appreciate that you

       are taking responsibility as fishermen to do your part. However, how would you get the

       community to become aware of the monthly meetings and what incentives would you provide

       to encourage fishermen to actually do the clean-up methods you stated?

 

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       You made some really good points in your POV. Such as implying exactly how you as

       fishermen would be affected, and how you being affected would affect others.  How would

       the catch and throw policy be enforced?

 

        Response of:  Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                             To:  United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Thank you for your commentand for agreeing with us.We hope that these ideas can

              happen and help out the enviornment

 

    From:   United Farmers of the Chesapeake - farmer - JWHS(F)                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       I think you had really good points in your discussion. I like how you will fine people how

       do not follow the correct procedures. You have a very good plan I like your ideas. I

       agree with your discussion and I think you have a lot of good points.

 

 

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Chalky and the Crawfish                                                                                  East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

We believe that the waterman are the most important, because we provide foods from the   

bay for many people.  With water pollution, being the way it is, this is a very hard task to

overcome.  Since the bay is unhealthy, we have less fish, crabs, shrimp, and many other

species that are also good food sources.  Not only are the fish declining, but they are also

becoming unhealthier.  These fish are becoming smaller than they are supposed to because

of the shortage of food sources for them in the bay. 

 

Farmers are polluting our waters with fertilizers.  Fertilizers are bad for the bay because

they increase the algae supply, and when the algae dies and decomposes it takes the oxygen

 that the fish need.  This is killing many fish and other species in the bay.  Developers are

also another problem to the pollution of the bay.  When developers clear out the land to

build a house or any other thing, sediment is released into the water and smothers the

plants which produce oxygen for our fish that YOU eat.  Factories are also another

problem to the water pollution.  Factories release toxic wastes that eventually end up in the

 nearby rivers or directly into the Chesapeake Bay. 

 

All of this effects jobs for the Waterman.  When there is no fish to catch, there are no

jobs, no money, and no food, for many people.  We believe that we are the most important

because we are the ones that really have to deal with this pollution situation.  We are the

ones that are on the waters and not only do waterman have to be fisherman, but this can

also include people who just want to go out on the water.  If there is no life in the bay, and

 if everything keeps declining, then this is not good at all for anyone who relies on the bay. 

No one who is on the bay, wants to fish all day for nothing, and try to enjoy their time in

dirty water. 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       #1 - I agree with your problem, we do need more money and more jobs for people in the U.S.

       The only major problem for any idea is the amount of mony it cost to build or produce the

       system. I think that the rivers should have a weekly clean up around the county or counties

        the the river runs through. It would rase size in fish produce and plant life would blossom.

        The size of the fish would also increase as well as the health.

       #2 - How can they stop how can you just relie on them to do it. There should be something to

       help stop it. The people who live by it yea they need be more careful and not allow it to

       happen.

        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Yes, sediment does hurt the bay. If there is too much sediment it smothers the plants,

              macroinvertebrates, and any other bottom dwelling organisms.  We could plant more

              trees along the bay & stop sediment erosion. This will be a hard task, but we have to

              start somewhere. 
        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Well, about the Disney World thing, like we said, we don't have to live near the bay

              to know about it. I'm sure that you all know what we are talking about, you're from

              EHHS and we are from EHHS and you know who we are. We undertand that all you

              are doing is trying to give us a hard time. You understand the problems in the bay.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/10/2010

       Okay you people have pointed out other peoples flaws but your own. What about the

       fact that when you all throw your cigarette butts out in the water, Im not say you

       smoke but a lot of fishermen do, but y'all do drink gatorade and soda and throw them

       into the bay! Here's a tip lookup what the fisherman do as well, not just other groups!

        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              We are Waterman, but we also understand from a farmer's point of view what you

              mean. It is very hard to cut back on farming supplies that pollute the Bay. About the

              factories, maybe if we bring it to their attention of how much this is affecting not

              only us, but everyone else including them. The factories could stop dumping their

              waste in nearby rivers.

        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              Yes, we agree that we need to get together and find a good solution for better buffer

               zones in order to prevent less fertilizers entering the Bay. In order to keep the fish

              alive, they need oxygen.

              We are not saying that the farmers need to stop using fertilizers, maybe we can find

              a solution to the fertilization problem.

    From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree with The Farming Deer Assasins.  What are you all talking about.  You are

       confusing everyone.  Also who is this CHALKY guy and anyone with a computer that has

       internet can go and look up information about  Disney World.

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree that fertilizers aren't good for the bay buts its not the only thing. There is

       sediment and alot of other things that hurt the bay.How can you fix those things?

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I do agree with your second paragraph in your POV. The ferilizers do end up in the waters

       and make a big mess with the fish and oxygen in the water. We both need to find a sollution

       to find buffers to prevent this from happening.


    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Your statement is very true and does bring forth the issues at hand. Although, as a farmer, I

       wonder what plans of action you think we could take to clean-up the bay by preventing

       excess algae? Also, how would you make the factories stop releasing toxic waste?

        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Factories are a major contributer to the pollution of the chesapeake bay. We don't

              think factories should be first priority.

        Response of:  Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              We don't need to live at the bay or even go to the bay to know the problems, and BTW

               we have had someone go to the bay his name is chalky!!!!! We don't live in Florida but

               we know about Disney World. Now are you going to ask an actual question?

 

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       So do you think we need to do something about factories first?

 

    From:   Cornstalkers - farmer - EHHS                                                                 Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Are you even in the bay area.  I want to know how you all know so much about the bay

       when your not even close to being near it.  Has anyone in your group even been to the

       Chesapeake bay.  How many of your relatives make money from fishing.  Why don't you

       turn off your motor boats and use a paddle.

    From:   The Farming Deer Assasins - farmer - EHHS                                         Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       So what are you guys doing? im confused.?

 

 

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Kick Your Bass                                                                                                  East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

    Mostly all the fish in an environment need a healthy habitat, to survive, grow, and   

reproduce. The amount of fish habitats in the Chesapeake Bay directly affects fish

population. A fish habitat includes the factors (temperature, water depth, current, waves,

bottom types, cover, ect.) Also some chemical factors ( oxygen levels, dissolved minerals,

and other substances) in there habitat or environment.

 

     The bay has more thatn 3600 species of fish. Different kinds of fish live in and visit

the Chesapeake Bay. Many of these fish are dying off, because of car, and power plants

that use fossil fuels. These harmful chemicals from factories and mines. These harmful

chemicals give fish cancer and also kill most of the fish.

    

     The Chesapeake Bay dead zone.  Where nutrients from farm fertilizers, sewage, run

off from the roads (salt), gas power boats, etc, get dumped into the Chesapeake Bay, that

triggers the algae growth.  When the algae dies it takes up all the oxygen, which leaves no

oxygen for the fish to live in there habitat. 

 

     To solve this problem we think that the people who live near the Chesapeake Bay, needs

to be more carful how they use there resources.  Farm fertilizer, sewage, salt from the

roads, gas power boats, etc. Need to stop the chemicals from getting into the Chesapeake

Bay area.

 

      Watermen from the chesapeake bay area fish for most of there food, and even make

a living for themselves.  

 

 

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        Response of:  Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              Well thank you.. we liked your POV too.. it gave us some really good reasons to keep

              the Bay clean of pollution..!!

    From:   The Seamen - Waterman - CHS                                                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       Since you catch oyster for the American people.  Maryland Cheaspeke program are going

       to use oyster to decrease the nurtients in the Bay.  So as you all are catching and catching

       oyster for the American people you all are increaseing the chances for the oysters to

       decrease the nurtrients in the chesapeke Bay.  But my qusetion is what can you do to not

       catch alot of oyters?

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       u have alot of good pointes in u pov

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Those are really good ideas about how to fix the problem.  Ya'll gave use examples, and

       facts about the Chesapeake bay area.  If we would reduce the amount of those things I'm

       sure the environment would get better.

        Response of:  Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/8/2010

              Yeah I can't believe we left out cigarette butts.. that is a good piont! People just

              throw them where they want and don't think about what they are harming when they

              do that!! Plus the plastic too!!

 

    From:   EMRT Farmers - farmer - JWHS(F)                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I find your POV has very little info. Yes, the fertilizers, cars, and factories are polluting it

       your write on that part. The POV needs detail on how to prevent the pollution from happening

        and killing off all these fish. In my opinion the bay needs more buffers around it to prevent

       atleast some pollution.

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Of course people who live near the bay need to watch how they use their resources, but in

       truth, everyone in the watershed affects what goes into the water. Therefore, we need to

       enact ways for everyone to help in cleaning up the bay. Also, we need to inform people about

        how their actions affect the livelihood of the bay and how they can stop the bad

       transformation. How do you propose we do this?

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       As a fisherman myself,I really like your POV but there is something missing from the things

       that are polluting the Bay. One thing and I dont see how you missed this, but what about

       cigarette butts,they are poisoning the water and fish and lets not forget thet plastic we leave

        on the beach. Dupont also has contributed to the pollution to our watersheads. Thats just my

       thought:\

 

        Response of:  Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              I know what your trying to say.  I agree with the statement that you posted, and yes,

              people need to check there boats, and people need to stop spiling chemicals in the

              bay. 

        Response of:  Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  The Feds - Other - EHHS

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Well our name is Kick Your Bass, because thats what we named it. Why is your name

              The Feds?

        Response of:  Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Thanks about the name comment, what we thinks we could do about the bay problem as

               waterman is we could be more careful what we put in the bay and how we us out

              resources.

 

    From:   Lexicon Farmer Inc - farmer - JWHS(F)                                               Ask

                                                                                                                           3/31/2010

       I like how you put specific examples about things that are contributing to the negativity

       to the watershed such as factories and mines. I think in your POV statement you should

       probably put how you contribute to the negativity of the watershed and how you could

       prevent it being a fisherman. Btw, nice name

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       i agree that the watermen and everyone else living beside the bay needs to be more

       careful only because they are the ones who spill things in the river that kill us. There is

       no way that we can produce more if we have things spilling in the river killing us thats

       why we are dying. before anyone takes their boat out to i think that the people should

       check it before taking it out that way it cant spill any chemicals out in the bay and cause

       any harm to us.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       What can we do about the cancer the fish are getting from the chemicals?

 

    From:   The Feds - Other - EHHS                                                                       Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       why is the name of your essay "Kick Your Bass"?

    From:   Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Everyone near the Chesapeake Bay Watershed pollutes the Chesapeake Bay NOT JUST

       THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR THE BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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Super fishy fishermen                                                                    James Wood HS - Fordyce

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

Have you ever wonder where you get your fish from? We fish for your food, with the   

water being dirty fish are dieing off and our jobs are doing the same. The problem can be

fixed but it will take a while, the problem didn't occur over night. While fixing the problem

more money would be needed because more problems can occur as well.

    With the Avian Flu going around 3 years ago, then the Mad Cow Disease was occurring

and then the Swine Flu, fish are in demand. Knowing that not many of these problems

occurred around here and two out of the three didn't affect our food it impacted the

demand of people wanting more fish. But with the fish dieing off with the waters being

dirty people need to realize its not easy being a full time fisherman. The increase in demand

 for fish has made our jobs increase but with the fish dieing off we don't have a lot of fish

 to gather. Therefore we need to set regulations on the water to make it more

environmental friendly.

        Fishermen say "when people see boats in the water out there they think that it's

healthy."  But the real truth is that the waters are not clean. The fish are dieing off by not

being able to breathe in the water, the are loosing food to eat and the babies are not

staying alive. The state of Maryland has had to put a restriction on Striped bass. So they

don't become instinct in the Chesapeake Bay. Fishermen only fish for crabs when in season,

 and they don't drop the cages in the deep waters any more caue crabs don't go out that

far

    They perfect "watermen" from economic hardship in previous  years when one of the

striped species was scarce and reduce the likelihood that any species would be over fished.

Leaving only a half of the fish left has hurt the Chesapeake Bay. We need to put

restrictions on boating and also what goes into the water. By putting pipes and filters in

some parts of the water will help maintain a healthier water shed for millions of people.

  Obama has an executive order on May 12 the EPA recently realized a report outing a new

 plan; 08 Action. Past Fisher's management decisions in Maryland and Virginia are also to

blame for falling population of Blue crabs, if the water continues to be polluted.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       yes these are a lot of the problems but what are some of the solutions?

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I think your passage is very true about fish in the U.S. I think that its important to really

       think about where fish really come from and how important fish really are. I think we

       should find many ways to make the water cleaner so the fish will have longer lives. I also

       think that we need to put a restriction on lakes and ponds themselves, because most of the

       fish in them are sick and if we eat them then the humans will get sick also. All in all, i

       really want to save these fishies. I absolutely love fish and I think their lives should be

       just as cherished as humans and other animals such as cats and dogs. Fish are like another

       house pet to most humans, and humans really admire fish.

    From:   Troop Big-Horn - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                  Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       you have alot of good ideas how are you going to make them work out though?

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       You talk about a lot of the problems, and you state the fact that it will cost a lot of money to

       fix the problems at the Chesapeake Bay, but what solutions would you use to fix it? And how

       would you encourage others to help?

 

        Response of:  Super fishy fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                             To:  Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/1/2010

              Thank you for your comment it seems like we're on the same page!

 

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Pollution in the water is not good for many different groups because it is killing the fish

       and affects them in some way. I agre it has a dorect affect on the fisherman because if

        there isn't alot of fish and we can loose money and won't be able to provide fish for

       the community.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       How come no prices on anything?? We need to know costs.

 

 

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The League of Extraordinary Fisher People                                                     East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

Watermen are important for the Chesapeake Bay because it helps with the population of   

fish and helps feed people around the Chesapeake Bay. We can also help clean up the bay

by taking out polluting trash that can harm the fish and wildlife around the bay.

Watermen are affected by the bays pollution, this pollution is killing the fish which means

we cant fish as much to feed the people, which then affects the economy because the

businesses are not getting as much products to sell. If we can improve the water qualities

of the bay we can improve the fishing industry and quality of products around the bay.

One of many solutions of the bay is that you can plant sediment ponds, plant more

underwater grasses to help feed the fish and clean the water, organize groups to clean up

trash around the bay, try to keep algae levels to a minimum, and keep the wildlife around

the bay in better conditions to improve the water qualities and the habitat of the

Chesapeake watershed. When waterman are fishing try to keep the nets in the water only

when your catching the fish because when you leave them in too long you can catch and/or

hurt the other forms of life. You can have a maximum limit on how many fish you can catch,

 so we can keep the poplulation of fish enough but still under control but still make a profit.

 Another idea to help keep the Chesapeake Bay watershed clean is to have a better waste

management system.

Preferable solutions for watermen is to reduce the non-point pollution by planting trees

along the edges of the creeks and rivers, sediment ponds, cover crops, grass buffers, and

we can establish several NMP's or Nutrient and Waste Management Plants around the

surrounding area of the Chesapeake Bay watershed.

 

 

 

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        Response of:  The League of Extraordinary Fisher People - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              The improvements on waste management could be extending waste ponds to collect

              even more sediment, more filters to remove the waste, and irrigate the waste

              collected to another pond to re-use fertilizers and waste.

        Response of:  The League of Extraordinary Fisher People - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

              Thank you for your question. The ways that we can improve the Waste Mangagement

              Program is to monitor the waste companys around the bay and make sure that we

              despose of the wastes properly instead of them just dumping them in the bay or them

              getting into the ditches and going to the bay that way. We could also have volunteers

              to go pick up trash around streams, ditches, and rivers so that it doesnt end up in the

              Chesapeake bay. We could also promote the companys better and get the people in

              rural and urban areas to begin the waste program that way it will cut down the

              pollution.

        Response of:  The League of Extraordinary Fisher People - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/8/2010

              Thank you for the question. We would try to get volunteers to dontate money for

              these types of plants. We could also do some fundraisers to support what were doing

              and raise money to help out the bay. We would also ask the government to sponser our

               ideas.

 

    From:   Ticked off Trout - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       you guys do help out the river in many of ways and by you all cleaning it,it helps me and

       the other living things in the water to live. if you guys didnt help clean it out then the bay

       would be harmed in so many ways and anything that is living in it now probably wouldnt

       be living now. the water would be different colors because of so much stuff being

       dumped and thrown in it.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       What improvements can we make to the waste management system?

 

    From:   FC Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                                   Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Yes, we are very thankful for your help with the bay progress. You always have helped

       clean up the bay by taking out polluting trash that can harm the fish and wildlife around

       the bay. We should publish a newspaper to inform the fishermen to try to only keep the

       nets in the water when they catching a fish because when you leave the nets in too long

       you can catch or harm any of the other forms of life. They can have a maximum limit on

       how many fish they can catch, so we can keep the population of fish enough but still

       under control but still make a profit.

 

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           3/29/2010

       Those are all excellent ideas to improve the health of the Chesapeake Bay. Planting

       trees, cover crops, and grass buffers would cost a good deal of money, so my question

       is how would they be paid for? 

 

 

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The Purple Fly pigs                                                                                           East Hardy HS

                                                                                                                               3/26/2010

 Waterman is important because they control the fish supple.  A they are important by the   

food the people in there town ship and other people if they export anything they are

important to there family's by there job pays for there for to survive.  Then are just some

 of the way they are important They problems that would affect the water man would be

flooding would wash all the grass with the fish home away.  Then all the trash that are in

the place it would pollute the river and kill the fish.  Then there would be the problem was

the flood would wash all the grass down the river.  Then the fish would not have anything

to eat and eat and die off. The waterman may be affected by possible solutions.  The

fisherman will be affected by the chemicals they would put into the ground.  Then the

chemicals would run off into the water.  Then the fish would be contaminated by the

chemicals and would die off.  Then the fisherman would be affected by the lost in the fish

and would lose profit.  An even lose there jobs. One solution would prefer is initiation

practice that is used to capture and ternporanity store the water quality volume. Before

allowing it to infiltrate into the soil, promoting pollutant treatment and ground water

recharge. An stream restoration is where they are restoring natural stream hydrology,

morphology and the riparian landscape

 

 

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        Response of:  The Purple Fly pigs - Waterman - EHHS

                             To:  White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              well some of the things we can do to help is clean up the trash along the bay and

              recycle it, also we could do more to prevent pesticides from entering the water

              ecosystem and polluting it.

    From:   Chuck the Purple Shoelace - recreation - EHHS                                    Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       What do you mean your with the government and the fishermen? P.O.V stands for point of

       view, and apparently it seems that you don't have any.......good ones. -sorry for the

       inconvience...........

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       What is P.O.V about. I'm the government but also a fisherman and yall are compleatly of

       the topic. I could explain the issue better.

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Your pov says lot of problems with the bay and fisherman. But how will you fix the

       problems with the bay? That's what you got to figure out to help the bay and the watermen

       that use the bay.

    From:   Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       We don't really know what point you are trying to make in this POV, we know that the

       water will wash the grass down the water, but how can we fix it?

    From:   Mammalpalooza - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                                           Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I'm not really sure what point you're trying to get across. How will you fix the problems?

    From:   CBCC (Chesapeake Bay Conservation Committee) - farmer - EHHS         Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       I agree with the group before that stated that it is very hard to understand what you are

       trying to say. No offense, but it's blotchy and off topic, because you never really answer the

        question that you stated and it keeps alot of information out of the POV paper. Also many

       words are spelled wrong and used in the wrong context.


    From:   Chalky and the Crawfish - Waterman - EHHS                                        Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       We really didn't understand much of your POV.  The wording and your spelling is hard to

       understand.  Some of the stuff that we understood made a little sense, but other information

       that we didn't understand looks like it came from the internet. 

 

    From:   Four Fish and an Otter - CB_Ecosystem - JWHS(F)                              Ask

                                                                                                                           4/1/2010

       In your POV you describe the Chesapeake problems well, and talk about how the rivers

       contamination affects you as well. What can you as fishermen do to fix the problem and

       what would it cost you?

    From:   Triple J & CB fishermen - Waterman - JWHS(F)                                  Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       Stream restoration is definately an important thing to do in order to help out the bay.

       Chemicals in the water could affect the fish an if they affect the fish then that hurts

       the fisherman and they could loose money.

    From:   The Hand that Feeds - farmer - JWHS(F)                                            Ask

                                                                                                                           3/30/2010

       You’re not really saying anything on how to fix it. I’m confused because it’s hard to

       understand what you’re trying to say from your typing

 

 

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AwesomeWaterPeeps                                                                                   North Harford HS

                                                                                                                               3/30/2010

    As Watermen, we fish for the local and sometimes national markets. we are the people that  

make our living strictly from what comes up in our nets. We need to catch fish, but the

pollution and over fishing is decreasing the population of many different types of fish.     I

Believe that their should be temporary laws limiting all out catch for the next year. The limit

should be a compromised amount of how many fish we need to make a living and how many fish

the population needs to repopulate. Oysters clean the bay and if we limit our fishing intake

they will be left in the bay to repopulate and clean the bay.     Also, we need to watch where we

 put our boats and equiptment prior to putting it into the bay. Invasive species can attatch onto

our equiptment and go into the bay and limit or kill off some of our prized species in the bay. 

    With these few and easy switches i feel that we will still be able to make enough money to

make our livings and with time things will be back to normal and even better then before.

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       You guys are so right! I hate going to the grocery store and getting DIRTY fish.

   From:   Durdy Developers - developer - GCHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                                                        4/15/2010

       First of all, good POV, but some things are left unanswered or unaddressed. You

       stated the the problem with fish populations and pollution in the bay, but is the only

       way to clean the bay through watermen-related activities like fishing less and

       practicing more environmentally friendly boating practices?

       The effort to clean up the Bay must come from all stakeholders, not just the

       watermen. It is true that waterman community plays an integral role, and you offered

       viable solutions, but it takes the cooperation of an entire community to truly and

       effectively clean up a Bay.

    From:   Kick Your Bass - Waterman - EHHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

       So what you are saying is it is ok to pollute the Bay... but limit the fishing!! That is what it

       is sounds like you are trying to say. What we're all thinking is we need to stop the

       pollution, not limit the fishing!!

    From:   Team Green - Other - JWHS(F)                                                             Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       Yes the watermen play a very Important in the bay. But all the other groups have to help

       cleaning the bay for the bay to actually get somewhat cleaner and the problems with the

       ecosystem and everything

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       What About the cigarette butts that you people leave in the bay? they also pollute the

       water! Not to mention yall toss plastic out into the Bay when your done with them, thats

       why the trash can was invented. I fish too so I would like Dupont to keep their chemicals

       out. Yall missed alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 4/8 -  The Moderator asks:  Do you really think that the Bay can be restored and your fishery made healthy again entirely based on actions taken by the waterman community?  So, that means everyone else in the watershed is off the hook and they can pollute as much as they want? 

 

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P.M.W. Oysters Inc.                                                                             Jefferson HS-Picard

                                                                                                                                  4/1/2010

We, gatherers of oysters in the Chesapeake Bay, collect and harvest a large amount of POV:

oysters for the continental United States. Our job is important because if we did not

harvest oysters the delicacy would not be provided to restaurants and other oyster using

entities.  The overall health of the bay directly affects us. If the bay water is contaminate

it limits our bounty and results in low profits helping or hurting our quality of life. As oyster

 harvesters in the Chesapeake Bay, we strongly support restoration and cleaning processes

in the bay. If done, it will allow more oysters to thrive and reproduce successfully,

resulting in a rise in our profits now and in the future. If the problems in the bay are not

solved soon, we could loose our businesses and livelihood.  Our opposition protests that in

order to clean up the bay; we must stop harvesting all the oysters because they function as

 a natural filter for the bay’s water.  This would solve one problem, but unfortunately it

would create another. Putting a stop on all oyster harvests would clear up the water quality

 some, but also it would cause us to lose our jobs.  A less drastic, more economical solution

would be to limit run off from nearby streams and roads. When a farmer applies nutrient

fertilizer to his/ her crop, large amounts of the nutrients get washed into waterways by

types of precipitation or by leaching down from hills. These nutrients eventually mix with

the streams and contaminate it. To limit the amount of nutrients flowing into waterways,

restrictions could be placed on the quantity and types of fertilizers used by farmers in the

 surrounding area. These farmers are often ignorant to the fact that putting too many

nutrients, such as Nitrogen and Phosphorous in the water will contaminate it. This

contamination is achieved when oxygen levels decrease due to the voracious growth of

algae. Phytoplankton and other organisms that require it soon die. Sediment clogs the

natural filters of our precious oysters, eventually choking them to death. There are many

other options that could be done to limit contamination in the bay, the elimination of

garbage and waste dumping could be greatly beneficial to the overall heath of the bay. 

Limits on carbon dioxide and other hazardous emissions by factories and companies around

the bay should be put into place.  All of these solutions can help to sanitize the bay without

any detrimental side effects, and still allow us to keep our jobs, and continue to provide

our delicious local oysters to the people of America and beyond.                                                                                               P.M.W. Oysters Inc.

 

 

 

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        Response of:  P.M.W. Oysters Inc. - Waterman - JHS(P)

                             To:  James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)

                                                                                                                        4/12/2010

              We're glad that the James Wood Tree Huggers are so opinionated, but the reality is

              that your arguemnts are full of holes and have few facts. Who are you to tell us that

              our oysters are not that tasty? Do you not have a tongue?! We feel as though all of

              you, being from the same school, said the exact same thing. We appreciate your

              originality. It is impossible to harvest oysters if they aren't there. We're harvesting

              them, so obviously oysters are present in the bay. Have you ever considered that we

              have to make money to feed our families? We respect the ideas of the farmer, but

              other than that, there is only srupidity. YOU HAVE NO FACTS. GET OFF THE

              INTERNET.

    From:   White Hall Government - local_gov - JWHS(F)                                      Ask

                                                                                                                        4/9/2010

       I agree with James Wood Tree Huggers. The oysters dont grow as fast as you catch them!

    From:   Emperor's of the Land - farmer - JWHS(F)                                          Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Your statement provides many solutions to help clean up the bay. As a farmer, I know that my

        fertilizers create an excess runoff of nitrogen and phosphorus. By restricting how much

       and what type of fertilizers we can use would greatly help. I appreciate that this will not be

       very costly for me and it will limit my crop production. Limiting the hazardous toxic

       emissions would also help very much, not only for the bay, but for everyone, so it's a win-win

        situation.

    From:   James Wood Tree Huggers - Other - JWHS(F)                                     Ask

                                                                                                                           4/8/2010

       Have ever considered that your over fishing of oysters is what is leading to your problems.

       The oysters are vanishing because you fishmen are catching way to many oysters. And

       frankly, oysters aren't that tasty. So my advise is to keep catching them but just no where

       near as many and give them time to repopulate. 

 

 

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Fisherfolk                                                                                               Jefferson HS-Picard

                                                                                                                                4/12/2010

As watermen of the Chesapeake Bay, we find the pollution in the Bay is detremental to

business and recreation in the bay. If something is not done we could lose many species of

fish, as well as hundreds of jobs in the Chesapeake Bay area. The pollution not only harms

the fish, it also harms shellfish and other species which can be harvested for fish markets.

If the pollution in the Bay is not take care of, hundreds of species could be lost that would

destroy the livelihoods of the watermen of the Chesapeake Bay. Most of the pollution

comes from fertilizers and other contaminents from farms. The fertilizers cause over

growth of algea which is depleeting the bay of oxygen and other necessary nutrients.

To solve this problem my associates and I have devised a BMP of preparing riparian

buffers and rationing fertilizers for farms.  In addition we need better management for

industrial wastes and other hazardous materials in the area. We believe that these

pirameters will supplement our ability to continue fishing enabling us to keep our jobs and

preserve our environment.

 

 

 

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The Daniel Family Fishermen                                                                             Musselman HS

Fisherman                                                                                                                4/13/2010

    Fishermen provide a usful service to the public, by keeping the population of fish in  

check, supplying the consumers with fish,etc. However, we are doing a great disservice to

the fisherman. There is a great increase of pollution due to many sources such as

impervious services,erosion,water run-off,etc.This causes fish to die as a result. We as a

comunitty need to work together to make our comunity great. We can do this by planning

better for development, planting trees[witch help stop erosion], starting parks,piking up

trash, etc. There is so much we could do to make life on the fishermen easyer and make

our community better. This is my point of veiw and I will stick with it.

 

 

 

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    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       i totally agree with your statement. i believe you should stick by it.  if we plant trees and

       stop water run-off we could have a better system. by working as a community is a great

       idea. by doing this we could get alot done in a little bit of time.

    From:   The Applemen - Other - MslmnHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       this is a really well thought suggestion. I believe if we do what you are asking we will help

       get rid of pollution.

 

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The Bill "Water"gates                                                                     Rappahannock HS-Harman

                                                                                                                                4/14/2010

17 million people live around the Chesapeake Bay watershed and all of the people play a POV:

significant role on how they affect the Bay itself. I am a waterman and I make my living

off the Bay by catching crabs, clams, oysters, fish, and selling them to people locally or as

far as Maryland, I release fish when caught in my crab pots and I do not litter. You will be

reading further on how I am effected by Farmers, construction, and nature, and how the

bay is affected by them.

  Farmers make their living off the land instead of the Bay like me but even though they

are not directly connected to the bay they play a big part in the pollution that goes into it.

The fertilizers that the farmers put on their fields to make their crops grow runoff the

land or seep into the ground, and it eventually makes their way into the Bay; while causing

damage to the water and the organisms living there. This pollution causes the bay to not be

as fruitful as it should be and makes my job harder when I cannot make a profit off the

organisms that I am harvesting from the Bay.

  Construction work is also indirectly related to the pollution that goes into the Chesapeake

Bay because of the damage it places on the ecosystem when a house is built on or near the

bay. When workers are working they may litter, smoke and not properly dispose of the

cigarette, and also they may not be respectful of the ecosystem and how they can maintain

 a low mortality rate for the animals that live around the work place. Construction workers

affect my area of work by also killing my profit through runoff from the work place or

ignorance to the importance of the wildlife.

  Nature also plays a big part in my job because if it storms I cannot work that day, the

storm could also ruin my equipment for work, and the rain creates the runoff on the fields

or job sites that runs into the Bay. The bay area has over 300 fish species, and 3,600

plant and animal species living in and around the bay; which also have a niche and is

affected by the pollution of the Bay.  Pollution going into the bay is a really important thing

to realize know and not later because the decline of wildlife is being lost at an alarming

rate. If we cannot clean up the Chesapeake Bay I will not only loose my job but so will

many others who depend on the bay as well.

 

 

 

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Got Crab's?                                                                                     Rappahannock HS-Harman

                                                                                                                                4/15/2010

We, the Virginia Watermen are fighting back. We are constantly being blamed for

overharvesting and we want you to know that it is not overharvesting that is the main

problem. The problem is the improper management of Virginia’s Natural Resources that

have caused the problems with the Chesapeake Bay.  There are very few watermen on the

Virginia Marine Resources Commission board. Due to the mismanagement of the agency it is

causing Virginia watermen to fight back. The men who work on the water has been ignored

for long enough. It is causing major problems within this industry. The results are the

drastic decline of the Bay’s oysters, crabs, fish, and other things.

On the other hand the Virginia Marine Resource Commission doesn’t seem to understand

how upset the watermen are. They want the watermen to follow to rules and regulations

and they don’t want to give us watermen any more money to be misused. The mission of the

 Marine Resources Commission serves as stewards of Virginia's marine and aquatic

resources, and protectors of its tidal waters and homelands, for present and future

generations. We are comprised of four divisions: Marine Police, Fisheries Management,

Habitat Management, and Administration and Finance. These regulations are in response to

reduced abundance in the blue crab stock and over-exploitation of this resource. They are

promoting the conservation of the blue crab and other animals that are constantly being

overharvested.

The rules and regulations of the blue crab sanctuary in the Chesapeake Bay are as

following: it is illegal to harvest within area 1 of the bay during May 1 through September

15.  If you are found guilty of disobeying this regulation you will be charged with a class

three misdemeanor.  Also, if you are found guilty more than once in a 12 month period you

will be charged with a class one misdemeanor.

Over the past three months, out of work watermen have been contributing to the

Chesapeake Bay watershed. They removed abandoned crab pots and other trash that is

littering the water. The watermen don’t want the water to be infected with trash and other

 things that have been abandoned by other watermen who don’t care about the bay. I think

that watermen are just getting all the blame instead of the gratitude they should receive.

Not all watermen are out there breaking the rules or leaving trash in the bay. There are

many who care and who will go out of their way to help the watershed be the best it can

be.

  But then again there are those ghost crab potters who are just trying to make a living.

They are trying to provide for their families and their communities. If you look at the

number of food they bring into an area it is a great amount. This is their job, their time,

and their life. They spend numerous hours out on the water slaving over their pots and nets.

 They are constantly out in the sun and there is never a day off. If they didn’t do what

they do some areas would lose their seafood markets, and a lot of people would be out of

jobs. At least they are out working and trying to make a difference in society and not

sitting at home doing nothing. The ones who are griping about the bay and the problems in it

 are probably the ones who are not out there trying to make a difference.

  From all the information I have gotten about the watermen I think that there should be

changes about what they do and what they should do. Things need to be done in order to

save the animals and plants within the Chesapeake Bay. If the pollution doesn’t go down and

 if people don’t stop over fishing then there will be no animal left or plant left. This is also

affecting the people that live around the bay and its watershed.  People should help clean

up and help stop this instead of letting it get worst.

  People could do simple things that aren’t time taking or hard. They could recycle; they can

 stop littering, and stop using dangerous chemicals. If you do this then it will save the bay

and its watershed. Run-off and Toxins are another problem. One toxin is nitrogen and runs

into the bay. The nitrogen helps the algae and grass grow very fast and if this keeps up

then plants and animals will die. The grass and algae will block the suns UV rays.   I think

that we should get a group of people that are willing to help clean up and prevent the

pollution and over fishing. There are people that are already trying to help, but if you bring

them all together then more things can be done. Even if people aren’t in the group it doesn’t

 mean they shouldn’t help clean from where they are.

  The Chesapeake Bay is one of the most valuable resources on the Eastern part of Virginia.

 It lies off the Atlantic Ocean, surrounded by Maryland and Virginia. The Chesapeake Bay's

 drainage basin covers 64,299 square miles. More than 150 rivers and streams drain into

the Bay. It harbors many jobs for people in Virginia and creating many more to come. As

this it is an important to keep her clean and so it can influence industry in a good way.

  The bay is mostly known for its great seafood production, especially blue crabs, clams

and oysters. The plentiful oyster harvests led to the development of the skipjack, the state

 boat of Maryland, which is the only remaining working boat type in the United States still

under sail power. The bay is famous for its rockfish, also known as striped bass. Once on

the verge of extinction, rockfish have made a significant comeback due to legislative action

that put a moratorium on rock fishing, which allowed the species to repopulate. Rockfish

are now able to be fished in strictly controlled and limited quantities. Oyster farming is a

growing industry for the bay to help maintain the bay's productivity as well as a natural

effort for filtering impurities in the bay in an effort to reduce the disastrous effects of

man-made pollution.

  And as a Waterman I need the Chesapeake Bay for my job or the industry itself will

collapse as we know it. But as a waterman I have noticed a negative influence we place the

bay.  While the bay's salinity is ideal for oysters, and the oyster fishery was at one time

the bay’s most commercially viable, the population has in the last fifty years been

devastated. Maryland once had roughly 200,000 acres of oyster reefs. Today it has about

36,000. It has been estimated that in pre-colonial times, oysters could filter the entirety

of the Bay in about 3.3 days; by 1988 this time had increased to 325 days. The harvest's

gross value decreased 88% from 1982 to 2007. The primary problem is overharvesting.

Lax government regulations allow anyone with a license to remove oysters from state-

owned beds, and although limits are set they are not strongly enforced. The overharvesting

 of oysters has made it difficult for them to reproduce, which requires close proximity to

one another. A second cause for the oyster depletion is that the drastic increase in human

population caused a sharp increase in pollution flowing into the bay.

  Then there are the more positive effects that we watermen have place on The depletion

of oysters due to overharvesting and damaged habitat has had a particularly harmful

effect on the quality of the bay. Oysters serve as natural water filters, and their decline

has further reduced the water quality of the bay. Water that was once clear for meters is

 now so turbid that a wader may lose sight of their feet before their knees are wet.

  Efforts of federal, state and local governments, working in partnership through the

Chesapeake Bay Program, and the Chesapeake Bay Foundation and other nonprofit environmental groups, to restore or at least maintain the current water quality have had mixed results. One particular obstacle to cleaning up the bay is that much of the polluting substances arise far upstream in tributaries lying within states far removed from the bay itself. Despite the state of Maryland spending over $100 million to restore the bay, conditions have continued to grow worse. Twenty years ago, the bay supported over six thousand oystermen. There are now fewer than 500. In conclusion we need the bay and its industry so we can keep our industry booming.

 

 

 

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The MODERATOR SAYS this is a very impassioned POV that covers a lot of ground.  I respect your concerns that not enough watermen are on the Virginia Marine Resources Commission board.  How do you think you might change that?  I notice a bit of a conflict in your thinking.  On the one hand, you talk about "bad" watermen who break the rules and congratulate those that follow the rules even during hard times.  Then, a few sentences later, you talk about "ghost crab potters who are just trying to make a living" even though they are doing it outside the law.  Is it not true that, if the fishery is under too much pressure for the species to sustain their populations, that the agencies absolutely must enforce reductions in catch until the populations do recover? 

    From:   enviromental peeps - recreation - MslmnHS                                            Ask

                                                                                                                        4/20/2010

       I personally dont think that the watermen should be blamed for this problem. I think that is

       really is not your fault for this problem what so ever. :)

 

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