Homeowners
Grumpy Granny
Horizons 4H
3/25/2011
The bay is dying. So what? Why should I care? It doesn’t
affect me directly. I do not eat
seafood. I do not live near enough to the bay to see it
regularly. I have no fisher, farmer
or developer friends who are being affected by either
the unhealthy bay or the regulations
on how to help keep it cleaner. I live fairly far away
from the bay, so how could I be
having much of an effect on it? I do not litter,
fertilize, dump waste, or do anything else
terribly polluting. So why do I have to be constantly
barraged with people telling me to
‘protect my bay’?
Those people lobbying to protect the bay should target
the troublemakers, and not innocent
civilians such as myself. I pick up after my dog like
any responsible person, and as I said I
do not fertilize, so there is no reason I am
contributing to the over-nutrification of the
bay. You could say that my car may leak oil or other
harmful chemicals, but I do not drive
a car, preferring public transportation when I need to
go out. Indeed, I don’t even own a
car. Also as previously mentioned, I do not litter, even
picking up trash I see when I am
walking my dog (her name is Sparkles). I conserve
energy, use compact flourescent light
bulbs, and recycle! What more do you want me to do?
It seems that no matter what I do, environmentalists,
school groups, newspapers and even
the local governments keep telling me to clean up my
act. This makes me quite grumpy. It is
true that the bay is polluted, but do not look to me to
help make it cleaner. Enforce new
regulations on the farmers, developers, manufacturing
plants and other big-time polluters.
You will get my support, such as it is, by doing those
things, but if you try to put more on
me, and other innocent homeowners like me, I will sue
ya’ll.
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Thoughtful
Discussion
From:
The Ranger in Power - local_gov - LHS
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3/28/2011
I guess you will have to sue but everything we do will
affect you from a government
standpoint. As a government official, we will envoke
"sovereign domain" if someone
sues. Good luck!
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
The Ranger in Power - local_gov - LHS
3/29/2011
Sovereign Domain, eh? I'd like to see you try. If you
enact stupid laws telling me
what I "HAVE" to do to save your freakin' bay, I WILL
sue you. And I will win.
From:
MMM Cheese Homeowners - homeowner - NHHS
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3/28/2011
Dear Grumpy Granny, I think I love you. We get along so
well and have so many
similarities. You seem like a very smart person and I
admire you. I completely agree
with your views and ideas. And the part about sueing
people is just plain awesome!!! If
you want, i could be your grumpy grandpa
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
MMM Cheese Homeowners - homeowner - NHHS
3/29/2011
You could be my grumpy grandpa if you bring the cheese.
I believe we would get
along quite well. Your veiwpoint is quite similar to
mine, and I think we could have
some lively debates.
From:
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
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3/29/2011
Oh, silly grandpa. They do have a point that the
construction company likely built your
house. But I forgive you. Besides, we do not need so
many new houses- just keep the
old ones in good condition and reuse them! Maybe MMM
Cheese's house has been
passed down for generations, and was built by an
ancestor in the first place. It is true
hat MAYBE a construction company was involved, but not
necessarily. In addition,
construction companies do not just build houses. They
are building many other useless
buildings and impervious surfaces. Don't worry MMM-
Granny doesn't think you are
worthless!
From:
MMM Cheese Homeowners - homeowner - NHHS
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3/30/2011
I'll bring the cheese, of course, anything for you
grumpy granny. And my house was
built by my ancestors so there was no involvement of any
danged construction
company. =)
FROM THE
MODERATOR: AS ENJOYABLE AS IT HAS BEEN TO
WATCH GRUMPY GRANNY AND MMM DEVELOP THEIR RELATIONSHIP ,
WE WILL NOT POST ANY MORE FLIRTING. PLEASE FOCUS
YOUR POSTS ON THE PURPOSE OF THIS eFORUM AND ON PEER
REVIEWING THE SUBSTANCE OF ONE ANOTHER'S WORK.
From:
Bay Bum - CB_Ecosystem - NHHS
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3/30/2011
Dear Grumpy Granny, I think that you're viewpoint is
wrong. The bay is very
worthwhile and the construction company's and
homeowner's are both to blame. I
think that you're relationship with MMM Cheese Homeowner
is very cute though.
Seeing two grumpy, old people always makes me smile a
bit. Hopefully the two of you
will see the faults in your ways and better yourselves.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
Bay Bum - CB_Ecosystem - NHHS
4/3/2011
Dear Bay Bum, I appreciate that you say 'I think your
viewpoint is wrong,' not,
'your viewpoint is wrong.' That made a lot of difference
to this old Granny. It is
important that we remember that these are OPINIONS, and
none of them are
inherently wrong. Your apparent respect for your elders
despite the difference in
opinion is quite touching, and because of it I may look
into a few extra things I
could do for the bay. Maybe I will bring it up at my
knitting circle and discuss it
with my grandchildren. Being polite and persuasive is
the way to go to get any of
my support- not yelling and telling me how wrong I am!
Grannies are quite
stubborn, I'll have you know, and trying to force us to
do something is the
opposite of how to get things done.
P.S. I am also glad you enjoy our relationship- so do I.
>=}
From:
Oyster shucker - Other - NHHS
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3/30/2011
Just because it doesn't effect you directly doesn't mean
the bay is worthless. People
are losing jobs due to the pollution of the bay. Just
because you are not part of the
problem doesn't mean you can't be part of the solution.
Stop being so selfish!
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
Oyster shucker - Other - NHHS
4/3/2011
Selfish! You dare call me selfish?! Selfish is you
uppity youngsters thinking you
have the right to make me do what you want me to. I am
my own person, and you
are not allowed to tell me what to do!
I am sorry that you are losing your jobs, but there is
nothing much I can do
about that.
From:
One Shot One Kill - farmer - LHS
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3/30/2011
What other useless buildings are construction companies
building? Wastewater
treatment plants? "It is the hat MAYBE" can you please
spell correctly? If you live in
a house that your ancestors built then it is probably
made out of sticks.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
One Shot One Kill - farmer - LHS
4/3/2011
There are MANY other buildings that the construction
companies are building.
Look around you! Unless you are COMPLETELY unobservant
(or live out in the
boonies) I am sure you will find that there are
buildings EVERYWHERE. I have
faith in your observational skills, however, so I trust
you will see what I am
talking about. On another note, typing "hat" instead of
"that" is not spelling
something wrong, it is a simple typo. Also, my exact
statement was, "
it is true hat MAYBE," NOT "It is the hat MAYBE." Can
you please quote
correctly?
From:
A Van & 6 Kids - Other - LHS
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3/30/2011
Really? Stop being so ignorant. No one actually picks up
after their dog. You could
always do more, plant a freakin' rain garden or
something. Maybe, you could help
spread the word and make other people as aware of this
as you. ….
P.s. Maybe you should look up "sovereign domain" before
you start shutting people
down. Edited by Moderator.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
A Van & 6 Kids - Other - LHS
4/3/2011
Well, I actually pick up after my dog, and so does
everyone I know. If you and
the people you know don't, I think we've found the
problem. *stares pointedly in a
grumpy and disapproving manner*
"About 60% of dog walkers claim to pick up after their
dog some or all of the
time" (Swann, 1999; HGIC, 1998; and Hardwick, 1997).
60% Constitutes 'most' don't you think? Furthermore,
many states and counties
have laws against not picking up after your dog. You had
better clean up your act
soon, or you'll have some heavy fines coming your way.
"Animal Defecation ("pooper scooper" law) (Montgomery
County Code, Sec. 5-
203(a)(2)
An owner must not allow an animal to damage or defecate
on property outside of
the owner's property. An animal may defecate on public
property or the common
area of property in which the owner shares an interest
if the owner immediately
removes and disposes of the feces by a sanitary method
approved by the
Director. Feces may be picked up in a plastic bag. If
this bag is placed inside
another plastic bag, it may be put out for disposal in
your normal household trash.
Penalty for Violation - $100"
That may not be from your particular county, but it is
about the same for many
places.
I have already told the nice young Bay Bum that I will
spread the word to my
knitting circle, but you just very nearly convinced to
to change my mind. You should
take some tips from him on respecting your
elders. I do hope you are not teaching
your children your manners (or your dog
poop maintenance), as it would be a pity to
pass them on to the next generation.
From:
WE R FARMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - farmer - PPS
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3/31/2011
Eveyone should car and the waters. its not like we get
new water. Weve had the same
water sence million on years ago.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
WE R FARMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - farmer - PPS
4/3/2011
I'm sorry, but I did not understand what you were trying
to say. Rethink your
statement, RETYPE your statement, then send it again.
After that I will reply,
hun.
From:
John Deere Green Farmers - farmer - EHHS
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3/31/2011
Well Grumpy Granny, you say that the bay doesn’t affect
you directly but have you
thought about how it can affect you in the long run??
The bay becoming polluted can
cause a chain reaction to the rest of the world and
sooner or later it will affect you.
So although you don’t eat seafood, where else do you
think your food come from?? So
from our point of view, you come off as the kind of
person that doesn’t have a heart.
So you better watch your back because it will come back
to you!!
From:
CAKE - CB_Ecosystem - EHHS
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3/31/2011
The water that you say is useless is used in millons of
homes in the bay area is water
that lots of people drink. It is also on of the most
biologically diverse areas of water in
the world. You need to understand that though you may
not cause major pollution
every person can contribute and help. The government has
approved this act and what
we must do to clean the bays. We are discussing the
largest estuary in the United
States do we really want to watch this gift be
destroyed?
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
CAKE - CB_Ecosystem - EHHS
4/8/2011
I understand your point. Though I am old and set in my
ways, I am beginning to
understand the importance of keeping the bay clean.
Thank you, CAKE, for being
so polite about it.
From:
John Deere Green Farmers - farmer - EHHS
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4/1/2011
Well Grumpy Granny, you are acting just as your name
implies. How can you not see
the seriousness of the bays problems and how it is
beginning to affect mankind as a
whole. Ya might wanna get yourelf a new pair of
bifocals. Just because it's not
affecting you directly, doesn't mean that it isn't going
to eventually take a toll on your
life. You probably shouldn't get so upset when new
regulations are created because
they aren't made just to make your life miserable. They
are created to help solve the
bays problems. Which is why we are doing this.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
John Deere Green Farmers - farmer - EHHS
4/8/2011
It will not affect me in the long run, because I will
be dead. My food comes
from a variety of places, including farms, factories,,,
and foreign countries. I
assure you that despite your apparent disbelief, I do,
indeed have a heart. Though
I am old and grumpy, AND acting just as my name
implies. That however, should
be obvious. Though karma could come back at me for
something wrong I've done
in my life, I don't really think it will, and I won't be
watching for it. Nor do I
need new bifocals-my eyesight is 20/20-and I resent you
suggesting that I do.
On the other hand, I do have descendants, and I would
hate for the poor
decisions of people in this generation to affect them
negatively. So I will be sure
to spread the word about helping the bay. I still do not
believe here is much more
I as an individual can do (I can't exactly go out and
pick up trash, or lobby to
senators or such), but I will be sure to do my best to
get others involved.
From:
A Van & 6 Kids - Other - LHS
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4/6/2011
You point out the percentage of those dog owners who say
they have picked up their
dogs "droppings" but did they really go and ask every
single dog owner? And how can
you be sure that some did'nt just lie about it. Also
who picks up their dogs "droppings"
with their hands? Why would u pick that up if your
going to remove it use a pooper
scooper, come on now.Do you really wanna walk around
with that on your hands? Your
full of exactly that.
Response
Grumpy Granny - homeowner - H4H
To:
A Van & 6 Kids - Other - LHS
4/8/2011
Did I ever say that people should pick up dog poop with
their naked hands? Why,
no, I did not. Use a bag or a scooper for goodness sake!
No, of course they did
not ask every single dog owner. Nor do most polls ask
EVERY SINGLE anyone!
They work from a sample group, say, 1000 people to
choose an easy number, poll
them, and repeat the process with several groups. They
then average the
percentage and report that. It would be ridiculous to
ask every single dog owner,
and difficult and pointless besides! Perhaps some DID
lie about it. But I prefer to
believe that there are people out there in this world
better than you. For all of
your uppityness and righteousness about protecting the
bay, if you can't even
manage to pick up your own dog's poop, I would say you
are in no position to talk.
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