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Enviromentalists Hampshire H.S. / Moore

Tuesday, March 06, 2007

1:34 PM

We pollute the Chesapeake Bay by throwing our trash down on the ground, in the ocean, and in trash cans that are sent to landfills.  To stop this from happening we need to put recycling bins near the sideswalks and other places that are visited by people. The government could supply the bins and then they could let little non-profit organizations come and pick up the bins and take them to the recycling centers. They should also let the organizations that take the bins the center have the money for their groups and what they need it for. It could go to the homeless shelters or church groups that raise money for the people who need it the most. These solutions will benefit us by reducing the amount of pollution that hurts the fish we by from the store that we feed our families with.

 

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   From:    Conkreat Jungul Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School / Newcomer

                                                                                                                               3/19/2007

                                                                                                                              6:38:00 AM

          Citizens do pollute by throwing trash on the ground, but there are also many other

          factors that contribute to the pollution of the Chesapeake Bay by people visiting

          recreational facilities.  It would be helpful if you could describe these other ways and a

          solution to reduce it.  I’m also wondering how you are going to enforce recycling

          because most people throw trash on the ground because they are too lazy to throw the

          trash away.  What incentives will you use to get people to not only throw their trash

          away, but actually recycle it?

 

   From:    T.A.L.K About the Bay Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School / Newcomer

                                                                                                                               3/19/2007

                                                                                                                               6:41:00 AM

          You have a good point about the fact that people throw their trash on the ground and that

           there needs to be recycling bins in areas that people visit, but aren't there more ways

          that environmentalists can help to clean up the Bay? Trash is not the only pollution that

          affects the fish that we eat. Runoff, from farms containing nitrogen, phosphorus, etc.

          also affect the health of the Bay and its inhabitants. What are some ways that you can

          help to decrease this pollution?

 

   From:    Enigmatic Enviromentalists Broadway H.S. / Rissler

                                                                                                                               3/19/2007

                                                                                                                              9:04:00 AM

          Disclaimer: I have used the term “Americans” several places which could easily be

          swapped for “humans/people.” I chose to use Americans because this forum primarily

          involves the Chesapeake Bay on American Soil. I also chose to use the term Americans

          because I consider us to be the most wasteful and unethical society in existence today.

          This is inexcusable because of our role as a leading World Power and our rather

          impeccable habit of involving ourselves in the Global Community. Thankfully, Our

          Mentor and Teachers have accepted the responsibility of training us to be “Global

          Community”-minded individuals who realize that there are more life forms on this planet

          than merely humans and we depend rather heavily on their continued existence.  

         

          It’s nice to see that you call yourselves “environmentalists” but you have a few ideas that

           need clearing up…

         

          #1

         

          You say, “we need to put recycling bins near the sideswalks[sp] and other places that are

          visited by people.” What an original idea! No one has ever thought of that

          before…wrong. They have the fact is Americans have not been educated to care for the

          environment they live in. They will neither break their habit of laziness when they

          simply throw trash on the ground nor will they begin to take the time from their “busy”

          lifestyles to places the appropriate materials in their respective containers.  Americans(

           and the human race in general) simply are not aware of the damage they cause by letting

           the Twinkie wrapper blow away. You cannot recycle mixed materials in one big pot.

          They have to be separated which takes extensive time. I know from experience what a

          monotonous task it is to go through countless bins of aluminum cans. In the process of

          recycling you have neither saved money nor the environment. By using all that time to

          process cans I could be making $7.50 an hour at a local restaurant as opposed to what

          may about to $30 from a month of collecting cans from a 1200 student/employee body

          and spend 6 or so hours separating cans (and getting covered in a month old juice and

          pop mixture) and cleaning the various repulsive items students find convenient shove

          inside. Thanks but no thanks I’ll simply tithe a little extra on my paycheck at the church

          and let them donate back to the community. As for the environment, supposing enough

          people were to start recycle cans that the need for aluminum ore would actually

          decrease, you may have stopped their mining and you may have cleaner looking streets

          and streams but think of all the pollutants (mainly the greenhouse gas CO2) you’ve put

          into the atmosphere by driving to and from the recycling center and all the energy

          you’ve wasted.  So, in extreme terms, by recycling that can you’ve helped melt the

          icecaps which cause the Atlantic to flood over half of Florida.  I bet your grandparents

          are proud of you. They always wanted to go scuba diving… So sure you may have

          improved the Bay watershed a minute little bit but at the cost of the entire Earth. Is it

          really worth it?          

         

          #2 “they[the government] could let little[not the big ones??] non-profit organizations

          come and pick up the bins and take them to the recycling centers. They should also let the

           organizations that take the bins the center have the money for their groups and what

          they need it for. It could go to the homeless shelters or church groups that raise money

          for the people who need it the most.”

           Well the government can’t really stop them anyway, so those not-for-profit(they do get

          some profit you know) groups already do just not on a continually basis. And besides the

          money is not substantial to actually make a huge difference in the Bay’s ecosystem.  And

          “to the people that need it most” Isn’t that the homeless guy who actually went around and

           picked up people trash because he lived off of the money he received from recycling

 

         Chesapeake Homeowners Association MRGS Response to Enigmatic Environmentalists

                                                                                                                                  3/21/2007

                                                                                                                                 7:36:00 AM

                In response to the comment made by Enigmatic Environmentalists on the Enviromentalists

                Hampshire H.S. / Moore topic, we would like to make known that yes, it is entirely worth it

                to recycle the aluminum cans because every can recycled is equal to 6 oz. of gas being

                saved versus mining boxite to produce another aluminum can. If that doesn’t give any idea

                of the importance of recycling even one aluminum can, then think about this; each aluminum

                 can recycled would equate to saving the amount of energy wasted by running a 60-watt

                light-bulb for 16 hours or a television for 21 hours. Think about those things before you

                claim recycling isn’t “worth it.”

 

  From:    Anonymous North Harford H.S. / Oleary

                                                                                                                              3/22/2007

                                                                                                                             12:14:00 PM

         Putting recycling bins out is just one little step. There needs to be alot more things done

         to help out the bay. One suggestion is to charge people to use certain areas and use this

         money clean up pollution. Another would be to put up signs around the park areas to show

             people what they should do to not pollute.

 

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The PM Hampshire H.S. / Moore

March 12, 2007

7:30 AM

Do you think that we pollute our water system, including the Chesapeake Bay?  Biohazardous material that are thrown on the ground could be mixed with the water could sicken the fish or their offspring or other marine life that reside in the bay.  Long term effects include; offspring carrying diseases, less population in fish, humans eating the fish, which in turn gives us the diseases. 

Therefore, to better the lives of marine animals and the lives of our own, we should discharge the trash upon the proper trash cans; we should also use recycling bins.  This would benefit not just us, but most of the animals suffering from this in our ecosystem.

Do you think that we pay too much just to pollute the Chesapeake Bay?  Using recycling bins would save money while saving the bay.  With the extra money that we save, we could make donations to the needy families.  We could also prevent chemicals from intruding the bay region. 

In conclusion, think twice before littering!  You’re not only polluting the ground, you’re harming all of the animals and yourself.

 

 

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   From:    Conkreat Jungul Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School / Newcomer

                                                                                                                               3/19/2007

                                                                                                                               7:01:00 AM

          How does littering correlate into higher cost?  I am confused on how recycling bins will

          lower cost and save you money.  Are people going to use the recycling bins?  First you

          need to educate the public because if they already litter they won’t take the time to

          recycle.  Try to spend some more time researching your point.   

 

 

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Tipper Bob Moorefield H.S. / Gillies

                                                                                                                             3/20/2007

                                                                                                                            7:29:00 AM

You might not think about this at the time but when you are swimming in the river do you realize

 that you might be swimming in your own “poop”! How disgusting is that?  If we don’t fix this

problem before we know it we won’t even be able to drink our water because there will be so

much pollution in our water.

 

My group is important because to fix this problem we need to get the opinion of every

different group that is affected by the bay. If the bay gets destroyed then our weekends would

 be very boring because we wouldn’t have anywhere to go canoeing. If they were to close the

bay to clean it we wouldn’t be able to go there and hangout and do what we love to do. In the end

 though it would be for the better so I guess we could find something else to do until the bay

was fixed. Maybe we could even help clean the bay a little. We would prefer to have our

“waste” piped to a large hole somewhere in Mexico. We also wouldn’t mind if we had easier

access to recycling bins to limit the trash that gets blown or washed into the water.

 

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  From:    Arts Hearts East Hardy H.S. / Halterman

                                                                                                                                4/4/2007

                                                                                                                              1:43:00 PM

         Thank you for pointing out that when we swim in the river that we swim in our poop.  My

         question is what could we do to fix the contaminated streams?  We can't leave all of our

         problems in Mexico, as easy as it seems.  What plans do you have for the closing of our

         bay and how can everyone help if they shut it down for further cleaning or fixing?

 

 

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Fishing is Good Clean Fun!!!! North Harford H.S. / OLeary

                                                                                                                             3/20/2007

                                                                                                                           10:28:00 AM

Our groups POV is on recreational fishing.  Recreational fishing is very important to the

community for many reasons.  We keep the fish population balanced.  We provide businesses

with money by buying supplies like fishing poles, bait, the boat, and other stuff you need to

catch fish.  Also fishing licenses.  (You must be 16 or older and it costs

$10.50. (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/sw_index_flash.asp )

The bay's problems effect our POV group by decreasing the population of fish.  Without the

fish, there will be no fishing, no fishing, no fun!!!!

The solutions will effect us because it will allow fishys to populate more.  More fish means

more fishing!!!!

Some solutions for saving the bay:

  • stop littering!!! 

  • farmers need to have stricter rules for preventing runoff. 

We also need to set up buffers around streams that are high in nutrients. 

make developers set up runoff buffers.  They are a major contributer to nutrient runoff. 

Best managment practices can include:

  • erosion and sediment control

  • stream restoration

  • natural area conservation

  • riparian forest buffers

Some positive cost factors is that what we are doing will clean up the bay.  This will have

dramatic results if we continue to put money towards the cleaning of the bay. 

Negative cost factors is that it will cost us tax payers money.  It will possible raise taxes,

which will make us all very mad.  Also, some people may not be able to afford a fishing license. 

 

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  From:    Blankenship Development Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School / Newcomer

                                                                                                                              3/21/2007

                                                                                                                              7:31:00 AM

         Where’s the money?!? In your Point of View paper, you mention several solutions to

         fixing the pollution problem in the Bay, but you offer no sources of funding. Also, the

         incentives for farmers to implement BMP’s are not there. Why would a farmer want to

         spend more money on something environmentally friendly when they already have

         something in place that is cheaper and more reliable? You need to include incentives!

         Also, saving the bay is not as simple as “stop littering!” While I’m sure you have good

         intentions, your suggestions are both unfeasible and vague. Perhaps a plan would help.

 

  From:    diligent developers =] North Harford H.S. / OLeary

                                                                                                                              3/28/2007

                                                                                                                            11:48:00 AM

         What arey you planning on doing to raise the money for all the solutions that you have

         suggested? Setting buffers would be a good idea but the government isn't going to just

         hand out money. What are you goind to do in the mean time? Your solutions sound

         resonable but they are all to simple people arent going to stop littering and caring for the

          enviroment.

 

  From:    Fishing is Good Clean Fun!!!! North Harford H.S. / OLeary

                                                                                                                              3/28/2007

                                                                                                                            11:48:00 AM

         where are you getting the whole Chesapeake Bay area are not allowed

         to eat seafood more than once a week due to the pollutants that are being put into the

         fish? is this a law because i have never heard of this before

 

 

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Happy Campers North Harford H.S. / OLeary

                                                                                                                             3/20/2007

                                                                                                                           10:40:00 AM

   As tourists we are important to the community because we contribute to the economy. We

come to your town and purchase soveigners, fishing and hunting licenses,rent hotels, and many

other things. This affects us because over years of being on the bay we have noticed that the

water is getting more turbid. The grasses are dying off and there are less fish. This is a

problem to us because we enjoy being on the water, fishing, and taking advantage of the

beautiful outdoors that the Bay offers us. Also runoff is very bad for the plants and animals in

the bay because it blocks sunlight from reaching them. Also runoff pollutes the water by

carrying fertilizers and other chemicals into the water.

   Some solutions to fix this problem are to put recycling bins around the area to encourage

recycling and for the people in the community to not pollute. Also another solution would be to

install riparian buffers around the shores to prevent erosion and runoff. The cost of placing

recycling bins around the community is very insignifigant compared to the amount of money we

 could be saving by eliminating pollution. Also installing riparian buffers is very cost effective

 and is very helpful in eliminating sediment pollution in the bay. Another solution is to have

farmers practice BMPs or best management practices. Best management practices include

installing covercrops, recycling, and practicing animal waste management. These practices are

very cost effective and would be much cheaper to begin practicing now than to have to pay to

clean up years of pollution that would occur if we dont start fixing the problem and cleaning up

 the bay.

 

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Treadwell FAN 2 Broadway H.S. / Rissler

                                                                                                                             3/20/2007

                                                                                                                           12:32:00 PM

REVISED 3/21/07

First of all you cant just expect the public to live cleaner just because someone in a labcoat

tells them to.  The only way to to make a difference on a large scale is to go through legislation.

  First of all Virginia and other Chesapeake watershed states need to head the way for the

nation in automobile emmition regulations.  America has the lowest standards for carbon

emmitions in the entire world.  Second,  the navy and other branches of the military test many

of their weapons over the Chesapeake and just let the debris fall into the bay.  This needs to be

stopped by way of legislation.  Another way to help (though an expensive one) is that most

storm drains on roadsides and in parking lots just send water straight to rivers lakes and

eventually the bay.  The water going down the drains is mixed with gas, oil, garbage and

anything else that you can find on pavement.  This water must be treated.  Either more

treatment plants need to be built or we need to divert these storm drains to existing plants.  A

final and simple way to help save the bay is to plant riparian buffers along problem spots in the

watershed.  All of these are reasonable ideas, none of them will change our lives and they are

all something that will help everyone.

 

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  From:    Farmers and Landowners Cooperative Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School /

                                                                                                                              3/21/2007

                                                                                                                             6:22:00 AM

         so, you like to have fun at the bay but the condition is worsening...are you volunteering

         to help or just complaining? the only way any solution can come is through the

         cooperation of those just like you - people who really care about the bay and spend time

         there. If you actually want to make a difference you can, you just need to talk to leaders

          in your area and get involved.

  From:    Chesapeake Homeowners Association Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School /

                                                                                                                              3/21/2007

                                                                                                                             7:26:00 AM

         It’s great that you have realized that something needs to be done about the condition of

         the Bay, we need for everybody to have the state of mind that you do. You say that you

         believe that drastic measures need to be taken but could you give some examples of

         things that you could do? This is a great start to a POV paper but it needs more

         elaboration.

  From:  Anonymous Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School

                                                                                                                              3/21/2007

                                                                                                                             7:42:00 AM

         It is obvious that something needs to be done, but what exactly do you think we should

         do? It's good that you have realized we have a problem, but how do you propose that we

         fix it? You has acknowledged that it has to be practical, so what are some practical ways?

 

         Response to ALL from  Treadwell FAN 2 Broadway H.S. / Rissler

                                                                                                                                  3/22/2007

                                                                                                                                 8:15:00 AM

                the paragraph that everyone seems to be responding to is my first one.  i was confused

                about how to use this website so i accidentally posted something that i did not intend to.  i

            did figure it out and posted something that seems to respond to all of your concerns.

  From:    Chesapeake Homeowners Association Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School /

                                                                                                                              3/26/2007

                                                                                                                             6:36:00 AM

         We appreciate the fact that you took the time to revise your paper, but we only have one

          question, what is your proposal for getting legislation to agree with you in stopping the

         military from using the Chesapeake as a test zone for their weapons?

 

 

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Treadwell FAN 3 Broadway H.S. / Rissler

                                                                                                                             3/20/2007

                                                                                                                           12:45:00 PM

-From a Seafood Restaurant Owner’s Perspective: Due to the pollution currently affecting the

Chesapeake Bay, seafood restaurant owners have suffered greatly. As an owner of a seafood

restaurant in Virginia, the price of oysters and crabs locally caught has risen drastically. This

increase in price will affect my potential profit margin. People in our area are well aware of

pollution causing diseases in sea life, such as Pfiesteria, which came into the media in 1997.

The media reports have led to a drastic decrease in consumption of seafood by the general

public in our area. Currently, it is necessary to import seafood from other areas, which is quite

 expensive in comparison to the Bay’s seafood pricing if it was not polluted. In fact, an

investigation in the manner of a survey has shown that 360 seafood businesses in the VA and

MD have suffered an overall industry loss totaling $43,000,000. Although my business is still

able to function right now with an insubstantial profit intake, I do not know how much longer

my business can take this loss. My seafood restaurant used to be a popular tourist destination

in Virginia but along with the suffering sea life, I too am suffering financially speaking. If

this issue remains unresolved, then the local economies will continue to suffer. Citizens and

corporations need to focus on properly disposing their waste. With a little effort the sea life

can eventually repair some of the damage our society has done. Other plans that would be

beneficial need to be developed and executed to save the Chesapeake Bay.

Works Cited:

http://www.essays.cc/free_essays/b5/lvt118.shtml

 

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  From:    Chesapeake Industrial Corporation Massanutten Reg. Gvnrs. School /

                                                                                                                              3/26/2007

                                                                                                                              6:12:00 AM

         There are more problems concerning the fish than just what the media reports about

         diseases.  It would be nice to hear different ways the bay's health could improve instead

          of just saying that something needs to change.  If your business is currently having

         difficulties, you could raise your prices if seafood prices are higher in order to still

         make a profit.

 

 

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Crystal Patty David James Wood H.S. / Fordyce

                                                                                                                             3/26/2007

                                                                                                                            8:20:00 AM

     As a recreational user of the Chesapeake Bay we feel we need to resolve the problem of

pollution of the Bay. There is a great deal of damage done to the bay and this needs to be fixed

for many people including recreational users.  Recreational users are important to the

Chesapeake Bay Watershed because we bring in revenue for the conservation of state parks.

When we enter a park you pay the admission. Admission is anywhere from $1 to $6 for a day

pass and for a year pass it’s an average of $25-35 that will go towards parks in that state to

become cleaner and pays for researches to investigate the rivers, streams and/or ponds in the

facility and make them healthier. The Chesapeake is also important since we use it as a hobby.

If we didn’t have the Chesapeake how would be able to fish and fun experiences. The pollution

of the bay is preventing us from fishing and enjoying the things that we do at the bay. If we

eliminate he water pollutant problem then we can possible save the many fish. Many fish have

died because of the pollutants in the Bay and it is our job to get it cleaned up. If there was a

solution to the pollution problem then we could enjoy the essence of the Chesapeake Bay and

the nature that surrounds it. We would also be able to have fresh drinking water. There are

many ways to prevent pollution in the Bay but we need people to get off there butts and help.

We could cut back on the pollution that is going into the bay. We could stop dumping our dirty

mop water outside. We could also cut back on the nutrients and pesticides that we use on our

crops. We use more on the crops then we need. We could propose a water cleaning program to

get people involved in cleaning up the Bay and caring about what happens to it.     The

solutions would affect my group my taking time out of our outdoor trips to help conserve the

water ways that we visit. The solutions that we came up with shouldn’t cost us anything. Were

just do things are necessary for life and it’s polluting the Bay. The solutions will benefit me and

 all that use the bay directly. We drink the water but we are also the ones that are polluting it.

We should take responsibility for what we are doing and stop the polluting. If we were so

harms by the pollution that we just disappeared than the government would have one heck of

law suit. Our families would take them for everything there worth.     Citizens from the

surrounding states need to push their legislature to help fund the Chesapeake Bay Clean up as

the program mentioned earlier. The projected cost for the cleanup is $18.7 billion dollars and

there is only a projected income of $5.9 billion. Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania still have

 to come up with $12.8 billion to fulfill the projected cost of the Chesapeake Bay cleanup. It

will take time, money and public efforts but we believe that we can make the Chesapeake Bay

and its watersheds and better place to visit.

 

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