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Cow Spitters- John Marshall H.S.

                                                                                                                            10/26/2010

     We farmers, think that putting in coyotes would be good thing because the coyotes would be

eating the deer. There would be less crop damage to our food. By the deer damaging our crops,

they are putting us into bankruptcy. The coyotes will discover where the deer are getting their

food source. Then coyotes would go to our livestock. To solve the coyotes taking our livestock

and go back to the deer. We would get a donkey or a llama. By getting llamas, they are more

expensive but if you breed them then you can sell them to other farmers to protect their

livestock. Llamasí fur is another way to make money by getting one of these animals then their

good with putting coyotes in the area.

     The coyotes are going to breed with our domesticated dogs and creating dogs that has the

urge to hunt and kill more than a normal domesticated dog would have. People are domesticating

 coyotes and raising them is going to give us more money by us making the dog food. Coyotes

are getting into towns and they are eating our cats and dogs, which will lose us money. The

domesticated coyotes are going to have that instinct to attack and kill. They are running loose

in towns looking for food from people because they were raised by people and look at then as

their food source. Itís putting people is rural areas in danger. By putting the coyotes in there,

there are going to be a good outcome for some people and others not.

 

 

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  From:   The Deer Slayers - hunter - LHS-C

              Ask                                                                       10/27/2010            8:00:00 AM

     I've never heard of a coyote and a dog mating. How is a llama going to protect the

     cows? I have heard of llamas protecting sheep but not cows. I've also never walked

     out of wal-mart and had a domesticated coyote attack me.

       Response    Cow Spitters - farmer - JMHS

                                                                                       11/1/2010         6:51:00 AM

             We said nothing about cows' in our point of view. Its just our name.

  From:   The Rubber Duckies - forester - JMHS

              Ask                                                                       10/28/2010            8:57:00 AM

     What happens when the deer are gone and coyotes start to do even more damage to your

     crops? How will you prevent that from happenening?

 

  From:   H, N & L Farms - farmer - PPHS

              Ask                                                                       10/28/2010            8:43:00 AM

     if your domestic dog and a coyote mate its going to higher the risk of people getting

     hurt. you will have to keep it pinned up. thats not going to work...

  From:   Tree_Huggin_Hippies<3 - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010           10:19:00 AM

     We do not agree with your solution of putting coyotes out to keep down the deer

     population. This would just cause way more of a problem then the deer population.

     Having coyotes loose would be way more dangerous than the deer population. Coyotes

     are capable of so much injury and can kill humans. I think we would rather hit a deer in a

      car then to be attacked by a coyote. http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/coyote_attacks.html

     This is a link to a website stating dates and people who have been attacked by coyotes.

  From:   gibles - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010           10:04:00 AM

     How exactly would domesticating coyotes caues us to make money for dog food...

     coyotes dont eat dog food, the eat live animals.  and if you wanna regulate the deer

     population buy having coyotes hunt them, why would you give them dog food??  Do you

     really think this will work??

  From:   The Keebler Elves - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            6:32:00 AM

     I agree with the comment left on this page,coyotes wouldn't really do any crop damage

     seeing as how they are carnivrous hunters, they do not eat crops, they would help keep

     the population down but i do not agree 10o % with  increasing the coyote population.

  From:   NH insurance - Insurance Company - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            6:25:00 AM

     I believe that if coyotes mated with dogs it would be a super awsome thing. we need

     more diversity. maybe they will mate with the deer and create a super animal. Im excited

      you have great ideas like this it makes me happy that your thinking outsside the bok =]

  From:   Lions and tigers and deer oh my! - homeowner - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010             6:19:00 AM

     We have to disagree with your POV. The first thing is, what happens when there is a

     coyote problem? They can get aggressive and attack people and pets. We think having a

     natural way to cut down the deer population is a good idea, but not when it can be

     dangerous to humans. The process you stated is a very long, complicated and expensive

     one.

  From:   JJ Forest - forester - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010             6:18:00 AM

     i love how you say we could bring a different species to kill the deer instead of us

     actually killing them. thats such a great idea. and its so natural. i hate killing animals i

     think its so cruel. its nice to let nature take its own course.

  From:   der shrederzzz - hunter - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/4/2010            9:55:00 AM

     In order to get your hunters license, you have to pass a hunter safety course with over a

     70%.If  you dont pass it, you dont get a license to hunt.So the likeliness of someone

     getting hurt is still about the same.Also, if the population gets too low, then they can cut

     back the days.

 

  From:   Deer Dudes and Dudetes - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010              1:41:00 PM

     What does farming have to do with the coyote and dog mating and why would you kill

     something that hasnít done anything to you? That animal can cause a snowball effect to

     the food chain.

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010            9:53:00 AM

     But how long would that take before that happened? Also would this cost any money.

 

  From:   The Cultivators - farmer - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:58:00 PM

     How would the Llamas stop the coyotes from eating the deer? Wouldn't the coyotes eat

     the Llamas too?

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:07:00 PM

     I don't think that coyotes and dogs would get along very well. also, the hybrid will be

     have to be half domesticated dog and half wild wolf. the dogs would be used to the

     humans and the coyotes would be used to the wild. You say that the dogs will have an urge

      to kill, but what if something and there are more dog genes in the hybrid. this would

     mean that all it would do is eat and sleep. This does not work out well from our opinion.

  From:   SPH - farmer - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010            8:42:00 AM

     How would a Llama protect a sheep or any livestock?

  From:   The Sportsman's Heaven Wildlife and Game Agency - Other Stakeholder -

              Ask                                                                        11/19/2010             2:12:00 PM

     What would you do if the coyotes got out of control?

 

 

 

POV

denmyer farm- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/27/2010

We are the DENMYER FARM.

We are important because we provide food for common people. Farmers spend a lot of

money trying to control the deer.  On average 35 million dollars is spent on seed and

fertilizer.

We want to work with hunters to solve the problem.

The issue could be solved by crop damage permits, regulated hunting, fencing, tree shelters

 and wire cages and repellents. The reason of us wanting these permits is because of the

deer destroying all of the crops. And if we had the permits we could legally kill the deer so

the population wouldn�t eat all of the crops were trying to sell to make a living or feed out

animals.

 

 Farmers deserve a break!  Get rid of deer!

 

 

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  From:   We are WonderBread - homeowner - PPHS

              Ask                                                                       10/28/2010             9:12:00 AM

     If we get rid of the deer and put in coyotes they could possibly do more damage to your

     crops than what the deer had done.

       Response    denmyer farm - farmer - NHHS

                                                                                       10/29/2010      10:54:00 AM

             i disagree have you ever heard of coyotes tearing up crops were there native

             like out west?

  From:   Car Crashers - Other Stakeholder - JMHS

              Ask                                                                          11/1/2010            6:49:00 AM

     Your POV is fairly good but you could have put more details of some things you

     believed

  From:   JJ Forest - forester - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            6:33:00 AM

     You came up with great ideas to solve deer over population. makeing people get damage

     permits and fencing and tree shelters wire cages and repelents is great ways to solve the

      deer issuse in the world its the best idea we've heard of

  From:   NH insurance - Insurance Company - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            6:30:00 AM

     People hunt and eat deer for a source of food. people make money hunting and selling

     deer meat. =]

  From:   insurance staelers - Insurance Company - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/4/2010           10:01:00 AM

     You could get crop insurance  to keep your crops protected. that way if deer do destroy

     your crops you are still guranteed money or reimbursement and you wouldnt have to

     spend money on gaits, and fences.

  From:   Deer Dudes and Dudetes - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             1:42:00 PM

     Why would people get rid of deer when they get rid of weeds for farmers? But they are

     dead and donít come back but if they eat the crops you can just replant them with the

     seeds from the fruits that you already harvested. And no, farmers donít need a break,

     deer do!  Deer are being hunted and have to fight for their lives. But you only farm not

     get shot by a person then eaten.

  From:   Phat Farmers - farmer - TAHS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010           12:46:00 PM

     This is true deer do destroy a lot of crops that we grow and use to feed our livestock and

      sell at the markets.  In my area where I'm from we can buy something called damage

     stamps, and we can shoot deer that are on our property, and kill as many as we want as

     long as we have the stamps do to so. This really helps the population around here also the

     fences and all of those things work as well.

  From:   The Happy Hunters - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             2:01:00 PM

     I like your POV but why would you need to involve hunters when you could simply just

     build a really high brick wall that went around your farming property that the deer

     couldn't get over?

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010              1:11:00 PM

     The fences and repellents could permit less space for the plants AND deer. this would

     kill your crops and  the deer would probably still get through the fences. And, unless you

     can come up with a deer repellent, you can't "repell" the deer.

  From:   SPH - farmer - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             9:01:00 AM

     You should have written more. It really doesn't explain what you are talking about. Why

     do you want all deer gone? You should only want the overpopulated deer gone. It isn't

     nice to kill deer. They are living organisms too! How would you like if someone was

     trying to kill you! I mean humans are overpopulated too!

  From:   SPH - farmer - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             9:01:00 AM

     You should have written more. It really doesn't explain what you are talking about. Why

     do you want all deer gone? You should only want the overpopulated deer gone. It isn't

     nice to kill deer. They are living organisms too! How would you like if someone was

     trying to kill you! I mean humans are overpopulated too!

 

 

 

POV

Freaky Funkly Farmers- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/27/2010

The Freaky Funky Farmers are important because we supply food for people. The over

population of deer is affecting us badly because the deer are eating all of my crops before

 they are ready and I can't sell them. Also with our group not being able to sell our

products I'm making no money to support my family or to keep my business running. Deer

should have a designated area ever couple miles with a place for them to feed so my crops

aren't being affected by them eating it all. Or allow hunter to guard farms so that way if

any deer enter the property the hunters can shoot them and sense they are already

hunters it will work better for them because after they kill the deer they can eat it. Also if

 home owned put all of their yards up in fencing all of the deer are going to come to the

farms because they can't eat off of peoples gardens. The deer over population affects the

 forests also because the deer are eating all of the baby trees so the forests will no longer

 grow because the deer are eating the plant population before it can even begin. The life of

 farming could soon come to an end if the deer aren't taken under control they will eat all

of our crops and we will no longer be able to make a living of the land us farmers live on.

 

 

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  From:   The Rubber Duckies - forester - JMHS

              Ask                                                                         11/5/2010            6:52:00 AM

     Once the deer are out of the forest how will you protect your crops from other animals

     like the coyote. The coyote will most likely do more damage than the deer.

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010              1:14:00 PM

     To Rubber Duckies, what kind of damage do you expect coyotes to do to crops? They are

      carnivores. 

  From:   Cow Spitters - farmer - JMHS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010            8:36:00 AM

     You are just adressing the problem....How are you going to stop the problem?

 

 

 

 

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H, N & L Farms- Paw Paw H.S.

                                                                                                                            10/27/2010

1997 crop losses attributed to deer. Farmers reported deer were responsible for 70% of

their wildlife caused crop losses. The majority of responding farmers were very confident

in their abilities to distinguish deer losses from losses cause by other species and

confidence appeared to increase with experience.

Deer densities and crop losses have exceeded the tolerance of producers in most areas of

the state. 39% of farmers responding reported 1997 losses were intolerable to the point

of taking additional action to resolve the issue. Between $5 and $10 million in crop losses

for 1997 were reported by farmers responding to this survey. Effects of deer damage on

field abandonment and crop selection 25% of responding farmers reported abandoning a

parcel of tillable ground because of excessive deer damage. 36% of responding farmers

have ceased growing their preferred crops as a result of excessive damage.

White-tailed deer may damage farm crops, gardens, orchards, ornamental shrubs and

forest tree seedlings. In addition, damage usually varies greatly among seasons of the

often between years. One of the first things that a landowner must know in order to

control deer damage is how to accurately identify the damage deer cause.

 By far the most common way deer cause damage is by eating some portion of a plant or

crop. Other less frequent forms of damage include trampling of plants and damage to

trees and shrubs caused by antler rubbing.

  White-tailed deer are enjoyable to watch, photograph and hunt and they can cause crop

damage. Missouri farmers are tolerated of deer activity and accept certain levels of

damage. However, when deer populations, droughts, natural food storages or economic

conditions create hardship corrective action becomes necessary. This situation has lead to a

 population explosion in the wild and continuing heavy financial losses for many woodland

owners.

Animals are also being brought from deer farms and illegally released into the wild to

increase the numbers available for sportsman to shoot. Deer, however, cause havoc among

young forestry plantations by browsing and stripping bark from the trucks of young trees.

Natural regeneration can't occur where deer numbers are high and the cost of fencing

them out is prohibitively expensive.

  Where fencing does occur it pushed the population into neighboring woodland and simply

passes on the problem. The same can occur where clear felling takes place and the deer

then move on and the problem is passed to the unfortunate owners of adjoining woodland.

 

 

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  From:   MiBrain Hunters - hunter - PPHS

              Ask                                                                       10/28/2010             8:41:00 AM

     yall are right deer are a problem wit farmers and there crops..

 

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             1:25:00 PM

     Do you have any recent information about crop damage due to deer overpopulation?

     Also, where did you come across information about deer being illegally released for

     sport hunters?

 

 

 

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John Deer Farmers- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/27/2010

  Our groups name is John Deer Farmers. Our group is important because we provide food

for America. Without farmers American people would starve. The issue of deer

overpopulation affects our group because the deer eat a lot of our crops. The deer costs

us thousands of dollars each year just in crops. When the deer shed their ateliers they can

sometimes damage equipment badly when harvesting the crops. We discussed as a group to

start killing the deer as a way to solve the overpopulation problem with the deer. If we

donít try and solve the problem soon they will take over farms and destroy all crops

eventually nationwide.

  We suggest that more females should be harvested/year. Farmers have already been

using crop damage permits for a while now. By doing this it just means that farmers can kill

 deer on their property out of deer season. Deer is so overpopulated that it is ridiculous.

 

 

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  From:   dream catchers - Insurance Company - NHHS

              Ask                                                                       10/29/2010           12:34:00 PM

     i agree dude

 

  From:   The Deer Philosophers - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             1:33:00 PM

     How would you apply what you have learned to develop a well balanced ecosystem and

     affordable population of the various types of deer species?

  From:   BA Foresters - forester - TAHS

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010              1:14:00 PM

     We agree that farmers are extremely important and that deer cause a large amount of

     damage.  However, only so many does can be hunted. Can you provide some more ways on

     how you plan to decrease the deer population?Thank You.

  From:   The Tree Enforcers - forest - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:24:00 PM

     America won't starve beacuse we have other sources of food, and killing deer isn't the

     only way do solve the deer population

 

 

 

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gibles- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/28/2010

We are the Stakeholder group Gibles. We are a group of farmers who have so really good

ideas about the overcrowding of deer in Maryland.  The deer are eating our crops are

destroying our lifestyle. Primary damages have occurred to orchards, alfalfa, and corn. 

However, specialty crops such as berries, grapes, pumpkins, etc. are also severely damaged Itís

 gotten so bad that I canít support my family anymore. :(  Its like a zombie apocalypse. When

we hit a deer with our 2010 John Deere combines its gets blood all over the corn and we canít

sell that. Also it puts damages on our machinery. Surveys during the 1980s indicated deer

damage costs to West Virginia's agriculture was about $35 million annually :( :( The deer have

to be stopped.  We would like to solve this epidemic by keeping deer season all year round.  And

 make it a public job to kill deer and sell the meat.  If we can control the deer, our forest will

grow new layers of plant life.  Our farms will produce more crops, Giving the local community

more food for their families. :) :) If this works every group of stakeholders will be happy. 

Except the hippies, for the hippies we could shoot the deer with tranquilizers and the relocate

them.  Move the problem somewhere else!   

 

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T.POWER!- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/28/2010

     We believe that the deer population is way too high and needs to be cut down somehow. As

farmers the overpopulation of deer is destroying our crops and costing us a lot of money that

we do not have.If the deer keep eating all of our crops then we wont have as much feed to keep

 our livestock through the winter and we will have to spend money on more feed. we belive that

the hunting seasons should be extended to an all year season until the deer population is cut

down to what it should be. Farmers are important because they supply food for people and

animals.

     It has been estimated that in the United States deer damaged a total of $100 million of

agricultural crops, $750 million of forest regeneration, and $1 billion in deer vehicle

accidents. - http://www.wvdnr.gov/Hunting/IntAppDeerCon.shtm

 

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  From:   The Fed Up Forest - forest - NHHS

              Ask                                                                       10/29/2010           12:34:00 PM

     We agree with this solution. If the hunting season is extended to all year then the deer

     population will be cut down significantly. This will help solve the deer overpopulation

     issue and help farmers, homeowners and many others.

       Response    T.POWER! - farmer - NHHS

                                                                                       11/3/2010        6:34:00 AM

             We agree with this comment but there should be restrictions on what kind of

             deer you can hunt during certian times of the year. For example during parts of

             the spring and summer you may not hunt doe's. And threw most of the year you

             may only hunt with a bow to cut down what you catch

 

  From:   The Deer Slayers - hunter - LHS-C

              Ask                                                                       10/29/2010            8:07:00 AM

     We dont think that an all year round hunting season would be smart. If we shoot deer in

     the summer time, you are killing the baby deer inside of the mature does. Then ten years

     from now we wont have any deer left. We are trying to control the deer population, not

     demolish it.

  From:   gibles - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            10:11:00 AM

     I dont agree with the deer slayers becuase if the deer population gets low then we wil

     just stop hunting for a little.  and when it goes back to being overp populated we will

     start hunting again.  by the way your deer slayers why do you care??

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             1:45:00 PM

     For once I have to agree with the deer slayers, a year round hunting season won't help at

      all. Constantly hunting down most of the deer in the area and then allowing them to

     overpopulate is to much of a strain on the ecosystem, the best thing to do is gradually

     bring the population down to healthy levels and then maintain it so it stays that way.

 

 

 

 

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The Keebler Elves- North Harford H.S

                                                                                                                            10/28/2010

We are the Keebler Elves,farmers that are plagued with the overpopulation of deer. The deer

eat our crops that we need to sell in order to make a profit so that we can survive. The deer

also are carriers of various diseases including limes disease and rocky mountain spotted fever.

 They forage the woods and kill off all the vegetation that nourishes the land we farm on. Our

group is extremely important because we plant harvest and produce the food and goods needed

for the human race to survive and prosper. We think that the bag limit on deer should be raised

so that hunters could keep the deer population under control.Other stockholders may be able to

contribute to our cause, especially hunters. We feel that this is a highly important subject,

thank youfor taking the time to be enlightened about our point of view.

 

 

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  From:   T.POWER! - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2010            6:27:00 AM

     We agree with the POV because farmers are one of the more important stake holders.

     They provide most of the food you'll see in the grocery stores, but the more the deer

     destroy the less we the farmers can sell.

 

  From:   This was posted by someone at North Harford (they accidently used BA Foresters name)

              Ask                                                                         11/5/2010            11:12:00 AM

     if you raise the bag limit of deer kills then you might get rid of the whole deer

     population all together.

  From:   gibles - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/5/2010           11:03:00 AM

     the farmers are the most important stackholder group...  without farmes then there

     would be no food.  and if the deer keep destroying our crops then there will be no

     food to eat.  this is why we need to keep the deer populatio undercontrol by insewing

      open season

 

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             5:01:00 PM

     Question for gibles, what is "insewing"?

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             1:53:00 PM

     I agree with BA foresters on this raising the bag limit will only affect the deer

     population negatively.

  From:   BA Foresters - forester - TAHS

              Ask                                                                        11/10/2010             1:24:00 PM

     We are becoming rather angry because this is the second time we have found a

     comment that we did not post, that is posted under our name. We do agree that deer

      overpopulation has a drastic effect on the farmers. I also strongly agree with that

     fact that you, the farmers, are EXTREMELY important to us because without you,

     there would be a significantly less amount of food. However, we also strongly

     disagree that raising the bag limit is a good idea(like whoever rudely posted under

     our name. Although, we highly doubt that this would completely wipe out the deer

     population). Raising the bag limit could, quite possibly, introduce other problems even

     though it is solving one. I would like to see some numbers and facts. For example,

     how much do farmers lose due to deer overpopulation? I would also like to see some

     focus on some different ways to decrease the deer population, other than raising the

      bag limit.  Thank you.

 

 

 

POV

Phat Farmers- Turner Ashby H.S.

                                                                                                                              11/4/2010

     As a farmer, there is not a lot I can control about the everyday health of my farm.  Certain

irrepressible factors have a chance to impact the farm constantly like: the occasional yet

feared drought, or disastrous windstorms that tear down an entire cornfield.  Try as I might, I

cannot control these issues.  Losing crops to deer overpopulation is something I can control.

      The effect deer have on a farm is not seen only with crops.  Deer can spread diseases to

livestock, carry harmful ticks, and tear down fences.  It may be safely stated that a solution to

this deer pandemic is necessary.

     Countless solutions have been presented involving ways to keep deer off of farms.  Loud

noise machines, fenced of crop fields, and deer repellents are all ways to push deer off certain

 properties, but many have neglected the fact that they would be pushed right onto someone

elseís farm.  The cost of implementing these practices would be too steep for the already ailing

farming community, which in turn makes these temporary actions rather impractical.

     The re-introduction of a natural predator into the deer habitat has been another solution

presented.  These predators would mainly come in the form of coyotes.  As a farmer, I believe

this would be a feasible option if there were a monetary reimbursement for the farmer in the

case of livestock loss because losses would occur.  Again this solution would not be well

accepted in the farming community and would fail to be successful. 

     Aside from the coyote proposition, all of these solutions have not attacked the main problem:

  overpopulation.  I believe it is necessary to diminish the deer population by taking hunting

actions.  In Indiana it has been proposed to offer farmers a class that would teach them how to

 properly kill and harvest a deer as to lower the deer population in that area.  Also, making more

 doe tags for hunters would drastically lower the deer population in the matter of one year. 

Some may argue that these hunting changes would cause more deer-related fatalities, but I

believe less deer in an area would cause less automobile accidents, therefore saving lives.

     These last solutions attack the deer overpopulation predicament at the core by trying to

maintain the populations of deer, not just to expel them to become another personís problem. 

Maintaining deer populations effectively and efficiently will take the cooperation of many

groups of people, but would reap rewards that would allow future generations to prosper.

 

 

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  From:   REI Forest - forest - JMHS

              Ask                                                                         11/5/2010            7:03:00 AM

     Re-entering the deer's natural predator, the coyote, will help control the deer population.

      And if the coyote population gets out of hand, you can always hunt them. It'll be a never

      ending fight to control wildlife population, but we can try, and I believe this will work.

  From:   RAWR! - Other Stakeholder - H4H

              Ask                                                                         11/8/2010             2:08:00 PM

     I think offering classes to farmers about protecting their crops is one of the best

     unnatural solutions I have seen yet, however I have to agree with REI Forest,

     reintroducing coyote to the forest is a simple natural effective solution, I would like to

     take it one step further though, I think we should relocate the coyotes farmers are

     having problems with, and the ones that are showing up in urban and suburban areas into

     the highest concentrations of the deer population. On a side note I think you are

     overreacting quite a bit, this is not a "pandemic" as you said in your POV, please try to

     remember that this is contained to the Chesapeake bay watershed area and don't go

     freaking people out by calling it a pandemic.

  From:   Deer Dudes and Dudetes - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             2:03:00 PM

     On the POV for the "denmyer farm " you agreed with me but why are you aloud to shoot

     deer in your area this is what you said..."In my area where I'm from we can buy

     something called damage    stamps, and we can shoot deer that are on our property, and

     kill as many as we want as long as we have the stamps do to so." And what are stamps?

 

 

 

 

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SPH- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

                                                                                                                              11/5/2010

     We the farmers are important because we grow crops which we sell to factories and shop

keepers. Since the deer species is overpopulated, they threaten our crops because they come to

 eat them. When they eat our crops, we canít send them to store owners who can go out of

business. Also people wouldnít be able to eat because there are no crops. Farmers wonít be able

to be paid, so weíll go out of business. So not only are farmers affected, but shop keepers and

their customers. So we are important because we provide food. If we canít provide food to

factories and stores, than we canít provide food to people. Though deer are good organisms,

they threaten humanity. It may take a long time but it can happen.

     The deer problem (overpopulation) is affecting everyone! The deer overpopulation is

causing humans to put fences around their garden. But, they are also blocking other wildlife

and causing the other wildlife to die. Such as rabbits, birds, squirrels, reptiles, and other

wildlife. This is a major problem! Some other things that are having impact on people is that the

 deer are so fast. They can run 40 mph, swim 13 mph, and jump 9 feet high! Buck shed their

antlers in the winter. Which causes problems for people because peoplewill have to go in their

yard a clean up all of the ntlers that they shed. The female deer will eat the grass in humanís

backyard which also causes problems for people who like to have their grass nice and not with

deer bite marks in it. The only reason that we canít move them away from here is because this

is their habitat. This  is all human impact!

     The deer populations are increasing and are eating all of our crops and we Are not happy

about it one bit. People would like to put deer poison on our land but if they put in the wrong

spots the poison can kill our crops. Also if they le unnatural predators to the area. They could

come back and eat our crops so that would fix the deer problem then come up with another

problem. Agencies are destroying the land/ limiting deerís food to help manage the population,

but by destroying it makes better spots for farming which would better for us so we can grow

more crops. Then if deer started to eat our crops again we would have more left.  Hunters say

we should put up tall fences but the tall ones are usually are the opaque wood ones and the

shadow could limit the light on our plants making them not to grow as well.

     Deer overpopulation is a big problem is US. We need to fix this by managing the population.

 The people that are affected by this epidemic are mainly farmers and anyone. Last year 4

deaths were recorded by dear related incidents and over 29,000 people were injured. The deer

 eat crops. In the last 10 years the deer ate over 10,000,000 dollars worth of crops. That is

over 1,000,000 dollars a year. The animal rights activist and game biologist refuse to lift their

current hunting regulations even in these conditions. In Iowa the current deer population is

475,000. At the current rate the deer population will sky rocket. They will eat all the food and

use a lot of natural resources which will be bad for the ecosystem.  This will not be solved

naturally because there are not enough predators to eat their prey. So please change your laws

for the people.

 

 

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The Cultivators- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

                                                                                                                              11/8/2010

     As head of the agricultural business; the white-tailed deer species effects us farmers by

consuming our crops which we sell to make profits, and it affects our income and our

livelihood.  Due to human impact of when the settlers came to this world, deerís natural

predators have decreased rapidly. As humans soon settled in the area, they started to cause

deforestation destroying the white-tailed deerís habitat. The white-tailed deer population has

increased but the deerís limiting factors, such as food, water, and shelter, have decreased.

There is competition with living space, and therefore have been forced on deer new

adaptations, and they have moved into human communities. However, in our communities is

where farmers grow their crops.

     Being farmerís means that we produce food that people around the country rely on. But due

to the huge population size of the white-tailed deer; the wildlife areas that remain are running

out of limiting factors causing the deer population density to go over their natural boundaries.

Because of this over reproduction; deer are eating our crops. 70% of crops that were lost in

one year were caused by white-tailed deer.  From this fact, we farmers have had to have

tolerance with the loss. We have spent 67,855 hours and $620,073 trying to make up for the

lost crops. The money weíve spent has been wasted and is making a big impact on us financially.

 Some are even buying supplies to drive off, hurt, scare, and even kill the deer. Some of these

materials are repellents, pesticides, and fences. Only 20% of farmers have not allowed hunters

 come onto their land to kill the deer. When it is this serious where weíre willing to kill deer,

there needs to be a solution to the problem.

     As a result of this problem, we have come up with a potential solution. Instead of trying to

use repellents and or allowing hunters on our land, we have concluded to try and relocate the

deer to a wildlife reserve. By doing this; not only will we be preventing more deathes of the

deer, it will also give a healthier environment to the deer and we will make more profits.  By

doing this there are benefits for both us and the white-tailed deer with fewer disadvantages,

unlike the other possible answers.

 

 

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The Farmers From Across The Field- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

                                                                                                                              11/8/2010

Farm to Live, Live to Farm- Slogan

     We farmers are particularly great to the survival of humanity in contributing to many things

 to the survival to the people. We plant crops, raise livestock, and give food to the markets if

needed. We help the world by providing it with fruits and vegetables from the farms, but we

canít if the deer keep trampling our crops, causing for is to pay millions of dollars to buy more

seeds to make crops, and the deer will come back, eating and trampling over our plants again. If

 we canít make enough crops, we canít supply that much to the market, causing for the people to

eat less fruits, vegetables, or wheat. If the deer population size increases, so many deer can

come to the farms and eating more crops, we can possibly not exist, maybe even forever. We

are going to try and do some type of protection of our crops, trying not to hurt the deer so the

animal rights activists donít get mad at us and to let them get mad at the hunters by hunting the

deer and diminishing the deer population. We will also be helping the environmentalists by not

harming the plants.

     We have decided to use sprinklers and some perfumes along with flowers such as marigolds,

astilbe, morning glory, buttercup, foxglove, dahlia, Four Oíclock, flowering tobacco, larkspur,

poppy, snapdragon, strawflower and vinca. They also dislike trees like birch, crape myrtle,

maple, and spruce. These are some of the things that deer like and should be avoided: azaleas,

rhododendrons, daylilies, hostas, roses, Columbine, geranium, impatiens, pansies, redbud, tulips,

 beans, potatoes and tomatoes. You can also put up fences and make loud noises to drive them

off. We wish not to kill the deer just to drive them away from our crops. We just donít want to

pay that much money just to buy more crops. Thatís the only problem with the deer. Farmers are

just a key component in causes of how the survives today, but if something doesnít change soon

 about the deer problem, the farmers wonít exist, probably forever. Though, people can grow

their own crops, but still it wonít be enough. It would become a huge decrease on farms.

     Jones, Kelly. "How to Keep Deer out of the Garden | Deer Repellant Ideas and Home

Remediesif (typeof(window.attachCsiOnload) != 'undefined' && window.attachCsiOnload !=

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Exchange. Southern Land Exchange , 9 June 2009. Web. 4 Nov. 2010.

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deer.html>.

"http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/portalsearch.html?cx=006541648125353085856%3Ap

xkar5vs7ki&cof=FORID%3A11&safe=active&q=deer#915." http://www.virginia.gov. N.p., 13

Aug. 2008. Web. 4 Nov. 2010. <www.virginia.edu/blandy/Deer"West Virginia DNR - An

Integrated Approach To Deer Damage Control." West Virginia Division of Natural Resources.

Michael J. Kridle, n.d. Web. 8 Nov. 2010. <http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/IntAppDeerCon

 

 

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  From:   Wildlife Preservers - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:48:00 PM

     How do you prevent people to slow down in cars if ,say, they are on the highway and you

     have a certain speed limit to avoid trafic?

RespondThe Farmers From Across The Field - farmer - KLMS      11/24/2010

And where did we put the bit about people to slow down in their cars?

  From:   The Deer Stalkers - Other Stakeholder - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010              1:10:00 PM

     Scents are not the only thing we could do to lure away the deer, this might help you for a

     while, but not forever. The perfumes might be toxic and harm the deer. It might rain,

     and the scents will go away. The flowers will eventually die off in Winter and Fall. Is

     scents the only thing that is not violent and not use crops as bait? Also the supply of

     water will die down. Then what will happen? You can use a tall gate to keep them out.

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:00:00 PM

     Wouldn't putting up fences limit the space you can grow crops? Deer can jump really

     high. How high would the fences be? If the fences are too high wouldn't that limit the

     light that goes to the crops? how much fencing would be needed? Then how much will the

     fencing cost? Would the perfume attract different animals that eat vegatation? would

     the perfume cost a whole lot more money?

Respond The Farmers From Across The Field - farmer - KLMS      11/24/2010

How high can deer jump? we would make the fences higher than they can jump. they would be open fences so that light could still come in. The fences would stop ofther animals form coming in. We would not have to use just perfume. Deer eating our crops would mean we would have to buy more and more crops every time they ate ours. Buying plants that the deer would not eat would drive them off. Dont hunters and farmers both want to work together on the deer problem, if not please clarify.

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010             1:00:00 PM

     Don't you think that some of the perfumes may kill the plants?Also, don't you think that

     if you water the plants all day and all night, the plants will die. The perfumes could

     attract other animals and that could cause even more of a problem.

  From:   The Deer Rangers - hunter - KLMS

              Ask                                                                         11/9/2010           12:55:00 PM

     Wouldnt planting all the plants that deer dont like in the fields cost more money and take

     up more space than just letting the deer eat some crops? If not please clarify.

 

 

 

 

 

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Eagleye- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

                                                                                                                              11/9/2010

POV: Deer eat,

1. At least ten percent of our summer crops.

2. Eat all trees planted in the riparian zone.

3. In winter eat decorative plants around buildings.

 

POV: Solutions to deer problem.

1. Extend deer hunting season.

2. Farmer has permission to kill any deer on property at any time.

3. Counties should set traps, and captured deer should be slaughtered for food.

 

 

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The Great Growers- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

                                                                                                                              11/9/2010

     Farmers are people who grow edible plants that feed the community they are grown in. 

Farmers are an important role in the deer population management cycle.  This never ending

cycle starts with the deer going into the farmerís fields and eating their crops.  The crops are

then digested and made into waste that lands in the farmerís fields and that fertilizes their

crops.  The crops then grow into their full form that the deer eats and the cycle continues. 

According to this cycle the farmers play a key role in feeding and reproduction of deer.  Also,

the deer are helping us farmers in providing our crops with proper fertilization.

     Increasing deer population sizes can sometimes threaten farming businesses. Examples of

deer population problems that effect farmers are that since farmers only grow a limited

amount of crops at a time, when deer browse; they can eat some, most, or all of our crops and

cause us to receive less profit when we spent more money to buy genetically altered seeds or

seeds of new species of plants. Also, when deer browse, theyíre able to reduce plantsí health

and make them either less or not marketable. In addition, white-tailed deer are also capable of

helping spread plant disease. We farmers would be better off if deer population was degraded

and managed.

     Deer could personally affect our livelihoods because deer feed on our crops and decrease

the profits we earn from selling crops.  I feel sorry for the farmers in Pennsylvania because

62% of the damage done to their crops is from deer.  Deer mostly damage corn and small

grains.  The annual damage for the eating of crops by deer is around 16 to 30 million dollars. 

Some of us farmers use repellents to ward off deer out of gardens, orchards and other farm

crops.  But using the repellents has been time consuming and labor intensive.  Deer fences work

 and use 12 foot high wooden fence poles and they use 2 widths of 4 foot woven wire.  Keeping

the deer off of our property is a time consuming process the 50& of the time helps.  The deer

are predators to our crops and our crops are the prey, unable to protect themselves.

     My group would probably prefer that the deer population size would go down because the

deer eat our crops and products. Also if the deer population went down we would have more

money because the hunters would have to buy meat from farmers. They wouldnít hunt anymore

because the deer population wouldíve gone done. If the deer population went up, farmers could

disappear. Instead of buying cow or horse to eat they could easily and at a smaller price get

free meat by hunting. By the community not buying our products, we wouldnít have enough

money to buy food for our self. Therefore, my group and all farmers donít want the deer

population to go any higher.

     We farmers believe that the deer population is out of control.  We encourage the population

 to go down for the sake of our crops.  The deer population size is a danger to the growth of

our crops and the feeding of our community.  Deer need to be relocated out of our community

and need to adapt to an ecosystem that does not involve them eating our crop.  We believe in

the speciesí survival, but they need to survive somewhere away from our farms.

 

 

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